[Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 48, Issue 6
Raymond Horton
horton.raymond at gmail.com
Mon Feb 8 23:56:44 CST 2021
Sorry, I just assumed it was the same brand. I honestly do not remember. Keep hunting around you’ll find it
Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger
Minister of Music,
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:24 PM, Laurie Brown via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>
> I checked with deCarbo and found they do not make a Bass Trombone version.
> As a 64 year old female who loves to play Bass trombone and finding it
> harder to hold my Bach 50B. I don’t even try my double rotor Bach.
>
> So what company makes the Bass trombone that is referenced in this chain of
> notes? I’ve been out of playing in anything but a Community band in
> decades so I am not familiar with all of the manufacturers out there these
> days. I’ve stuck with my 8H, 88H tenors and my 2 Bach bass trombones for
> decades. Which, by the way, I’m looking to sell the 8H and the Bach double
> rotor to any interested parties.
>
> Laurie Brown
> BA Music Ed 1976
> Former 1stMarine Division Band (mid-70s)
> Retired Aerospace Engineer
> Now Realtor in Southern AZ
> Music 🎶 lover
>
>
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>> 1. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Raymond Horton)
>> 2. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Michael Sanders)
>> 3. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Craig Parmerlee)
>> 4. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (James L Scott)
>> 5. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Roger Carmichael)
>> 6. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Roger Carmichael)
>> 7. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Danner, Mearl)
>> 8. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Raymond Horton)
>> 9. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Craig Parmerlee)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>> To: Jeff Albert <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>> Cc: craig at parmerlee.com, List Trombone <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:05:26 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I really
>> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder problems
>> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
>> would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer/Arranger
>> Minister of Music,
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>
>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
>> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it. He
>> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
>> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely see
>> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Jeff Albert
>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
>> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a big
>> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly play as
>> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website. To
>> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just want
>> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar enough
>> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
>> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you will
>> make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> -j
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Michael Sanders <michaelsanders6 at q.com>
>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Jeff Albert <jeff at jeffalbert.com>, trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:30:18 -0500 (EST)
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>
>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I really
>> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder problems
>> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
>> would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer/Arranger
>> Minister of Music,
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>
>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
>> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it. He
>> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
>> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely see
>> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Jeff Albert
>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
>> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a big
>> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly play as
>> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website. To
>> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just want
>> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar enough
>> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
>> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you will
>> make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> -j
>>>>
>>>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
>> To: Michael Sanders <michaelsanders6 at q.com>, Raymond Horton <
>> horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:01:41 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> Carbon fiber definitely will not dent. It might splinter if you hit it
>> hard enough, but it is certainly more durable than brass. If you drive
>> your car over the horn, you will crush it, but I can't imagine breaking
>> the carbon fiber pieces just banging them against a chair. With the
>> Butler horns (and the DeCarbo as well) there are still lots of metal
>> pieces, and you can damage them as usual. I suppose any of the joints
>> could potentially be broken loose. You might be able to repair that
>> with glue.
>>
>> If you want to continue playing and the weight is a factor, definitely
>> do this. The weight changes everything. In my case, I replaced only
>> the bell. If you are doing this to prolong your playing days, I'd go
>> for the complete horn to get the maximum weight reduction. I don't
>> think you will be sorry.
>>
>>
>>> On 2/7/2021 3:30 PM, Michael Sanders via Trombone-l wrote:
>>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>
>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>, Michael Sanders <
>> michaelsanders6 at q.com>
>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:05:34 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is used
>> to make some of the strongest cases
>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that you
>> can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a stand or
>> chair.
>>
>> Jim Scott
>> ________________________________
>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
>> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>
>> [△EXTERNAL]
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>
>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I really
>> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder problems
>> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
>> would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer/Arranger
>> Minister of Music,
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>
>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
>> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it. He
>> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
>> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely see
>> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Jeff Albert
>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
>> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a big
>> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly play as
>> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website. To
>> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just want
>> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar enough
>> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
>> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you will
>> make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> -j
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Roger Carmichael <shiresbone at outlook.com>
>> To: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>
>> Cc: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>, Michael Sanders <
>> michaelsanders6 at q.com>, trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:42:58 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> What price range are we talking? Is there a carbon fiber 9” bell
>> available for an older SE Shires double rotor mass?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, James L Scott via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
>> used to make some of the strongest cases
>>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
>> you can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a stand
>> or chair.
>>>
>>> Jim Scott
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
>> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
>>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>
>>> [△EXTERNAL]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>
>>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
>> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
>> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
>> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>>
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Composer/Arranger
>>> Minister of Music,
>>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>>
>>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
>> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it. He
>> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
>> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely see
>> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Jeff Albert
>>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
>> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a big
>> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly play as
>> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
>> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
>> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
>> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
>> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
>> will make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -j
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Roger Carmichael <shiresbone at outlook.com>
>> To: Roger Carmichael <shiresbone at outlook.com>
>> Cc: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>, trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:45:22 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> Bass not mass
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Roger Carmichael via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> What price range are we talking? Is there a carbon fiber 9” bell
>> available for an older SE Shires double rotor mass?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, James L Scott via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
>> used to make some of the strongest cases
>>>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
>> you can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a stand
>> or chair.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Scott
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
>> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
>>>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>>
>>>> [△EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>>>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>>
>>>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
>> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
>> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
>> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>>>
>>>> Raymond Horton
>>>> Composer/Arranger
>>>> Minister of Music,
>>>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>>>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New
>> Orleans has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on
>> it. He let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first.
>> I am not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
>> see how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>> Jeff Albert
>>>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it
>> does take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
>> big adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
>> play as you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
>> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
>> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
>> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
>> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
>> will make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -j
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Danner, Mearl" <jmdanner at samford.edu>
>> To: "trombone-l at trombonelist.org" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:52:26 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> I'm a community band player also. Considered one for durabilities sake.
>> Seems I have a slide dented about once a year. Sometimes my fault,
>> sometimes not. Cramped venues, careless trumpets, etc. Would probably save
>> the price of the slide over the years.
>>
>> Had one on order but had to cancel. Life gets in the way occasionally.
>>
>> Mearl
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
>> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:31 PM
>> To: Raymond Horton
>> Cc: trombone-l
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>
>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>
>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I really
>> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder problems
>> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
>> would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer/Arranger
>> Minister of Music,
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>
>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
>> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it. He
>> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
>> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely see
>> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Jeff Albert
>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
>> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a big
>> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly play as
>> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website. To
>> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just want
>> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar enough
>> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
>> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you will
>> make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> -j
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>> To: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>
>> Cc: Michael Sanders <michaelsanders6 at q.com>, trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:24:13 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> Excellent question! I can speak to carbon fiber slides, in relation to the
>> Pbone. I took one on an educational trio gig, just to show as a curiosity.
>> We were seated on very heavy, old-fashioned type wooden school chairs. I
>> had the Pbone stuffed loosely in my double trombone gig bag next to my
>> chair. At one point I leaned over to get a mute or something. The carbon
>> fiber slide slipped under the leg of the chair and I sat down on it - all
>> 200 pounds of me plus a lot of weight from the chair, and the slide was not
>> damaged in the least!
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer/Arranger
>> Minister of Music,
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:05 PM, James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
>> used to make some of the strongest cases
>>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
>> you can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a stand
>> or chair.
>>>
>>> Jim Scott
>>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
>> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
>>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>
>>> [△EXTERNAL]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>
>>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
>> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
>> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
>> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>>
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Composer/Arranger
>>> Minister of Music,
>>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>>
>>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New
>> Orleans has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on
>> it. He let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first.
>> I am not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
>> see how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Jeff Albert
>>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it
>> does take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
>> big adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
>> play as you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
>> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
>> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
>> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
>> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
>> will make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -j
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
>> To: "Danner, Mearl" <jmdanner at samford.edu>, "trombone-l at trombonelist.org"
>> <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:11:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>> I have had 3 carbon fiber slides over the years (not counting the pBone
>> -- which I think is fiberglass & resin). One was an early "Jimmy Dell"
>> slide. The other two I still own are made by Spurling. I've never
>> damaged any of them. The is zero probability of denting the tubes, but
>> they all have brass end crooks, which can be dented as usual. The
>> Butler slides have carbon fiber end crooks.
>>
>> They are bound to be a lot more durable than brass slides. The only
>> drawback is that if they aren't aligned perfectly, you can't adjust
>> them. But if they are built right, they will never change alignment.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/7/2021 4:52 PM, Danner, Mearl via Trombone-l wrote:
>>> I'm a community band player also. Considered one for durabilities sake.
>> Seems I have a slide dented about once a year. Sometimes my fault,
>> sometimes not. Cramped venues, careless trumpets, etc. Would probably save
>> the price of the slide over the years.
>>>
>>> Had one on order but had to cancel. Life gets in the way occasionally.
>>>
>>> Mearl
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
>> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:31 PM
>>> To: Raymond Horton
>>> Cc: trombone-l
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>
>>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
>> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up. I
>> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
>> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
>> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang the
>> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
>> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or does
>> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just wondering.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
>>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
>>>
>>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
>> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
>> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
>> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
>>>
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Composer/Arranger
>>> Minister of Music,
>>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
>> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
>> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
>> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
>> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
>>>>
>>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
>> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it. He
>> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
>> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely see
>> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
>> gig…whenever those might happen again.
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Jeff Albert
>>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
>> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a big
>> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly play as
>> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
>> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the light
>> weight and/or looks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
>> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
>> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
>> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
>> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
>> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
>> will make it sound like you either way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -j
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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