[Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 48, Issue 6
Laurie Brown
lokkenbrown at gmail.com
Tue Feb 9 00:28:05 CST 2021
Thanks everyone. It’s Butler. I’m going to check them out. At 64, time to
spoil myself.
Laurie Brown
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:56 PM Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Sorry, I just assumed it was the same brand. I honestly do not remember.
> Keep hunting around you’ll find it
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer/Arranger
> Minister of Music,
> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>
> > On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:24 PM, Laurie Brown via Trombone-l <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >
> > I checked with deCarbo and found they do not make a Bass Trombone
> version.
> > As a 64 year old female who loves to play Bass trombone and finding it
> > harder to hold my Bach 50B. I don’t even try my double rotor Bach.
> >
> > So what company makes the Bass trombone that is referenced in this chain
> of
> > notes? I’ve been out of playing in anything but a Community band in
> > decades so I am not familiar with all of the manufacturers out there
> these
> > days. I’ve stuck with my 8H, 88H tenors and my 2 Bach bass trombones for
> > decades. Which, by the way, I’m looking to sell the 8H and the Bach
> double
> > rotor to any interested parties.
> >
> > Laurie Brown
> > BA Music Ed 1976
> > Former 1stMarine Division Band (mid-70s)
> > Retired Aerospace Engineer
> > Now Realtor in Southern AZ
> > Music 🎶 lover
> >
> >
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> >> 1. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Raymond Horton)
> >> 2. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Michael Sanders)
> >> 3. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Craig Parmerlee)
> >> 4. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (James L Scott)
> >> 5. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Roger Carmichael)
> >> 6. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Roger Carmichael)
> >> 7. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Danner, Mearl)
> >> 8. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Raymond Horton)
> >> 9. Re: Butler carbon fiber bells (Craig Parmerlee)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >> To: Jeff Albert <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >> Cc: craig at parmerlee.com, List Trombone <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:05:26 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> really
> >> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> problems
> >> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
> >> would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Composer/Arranger
> >> Minister of Music,
> >> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>
> >>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
> >> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it.
> He
> >> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
> >> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
> see
> >> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>
> >>> -Jeff
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> Jeff Albert
> >>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
> >> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
> big
> >> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> play as
> >> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> To
> >> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> want
> >> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> enough
> >> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
> >> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
> will
> >> make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -j
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Trombone-l mailing list
> >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Michael Sanders <michaelsanders6 at q.com>
> >> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Jeff Albert <jeff at jeffalbert.com>, trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:30:18 -0500 (EST)
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>
> >> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> really
> >> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> problems
> >> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
> >> would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Composer/Arranger
> >> Minister of Music,
> >> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>
> >>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
> >> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it.
> He
> >> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
> >> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
> see
> >> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>
> >>> -Jeff
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> Jeff Albert
> >>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
> >> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
> big
> >> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> play as
> >> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> To
> >> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> want
> >> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> enough
> >> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
> >> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
> will
> >> make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -j
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> >> To: Michael Sanders <michaelsanders6 at q.com>, Raymond Horton <
> >> horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:01:41 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> Carbon fiber definitely will not dent. It might splinter if you hit it
> >> hard enough, but it is certainly more durable than brass. If you drive
> >> your car over the horn, you will crush it, but I can't imagine breaking
> >> the carbon fiber pieces just banging them against a chair. With the
> >> Butler horns (and the DeCarbo as well) there are still lots of metal
> >> pieces, and you can damage them as usual. I suppose any of the joints
> >> could potentially be broken loose. You might be able to repair that
> >> with glue.
> >>
> >> If you want to continue playing and the weight is a factor, definitely
> >> do this. The weight changes everything. In my case, I replaced only
> >> the bell. If you are doing this to prolong your playing days, I'd go
> >> for the complete horn to get the maximum weight reduction. I don't
> >> think you will be sorry.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2/7/2021 3:30 PM, Michael Sanders via Trombone-l wrote:
> >>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>
> >> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>, Michael Sanders <
> >> michaelsanders6 at q.com>
> >> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:05:34 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
> used
> >> to make some of the strongest cases
> >> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
> you
> >> can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a stand
> or
> >> chair.
> >>
> >> Jim Scott
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
> >> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>
> >> [△EXTERNAL]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>
> >> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> really
> >> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> problems
> >> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
> >> would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Composer/Arranger
> >> Minister of Music,
> >> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>
> >>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
> >> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it.
> He
> >> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
> >> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
> see
> >> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>
> >>> -Jeff
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> Jeff Albert
> >>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
> >> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
> big
> >> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> play as
> >> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> To
> >> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> want
> >> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> enough
> >> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
> >> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
> will
> >> make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -j
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Trombone-l mailing list
> >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Trombone-l mailing list
> >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Trombone-l mailing list
> >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Roger Carmichael <shiresbone at outlook.com>
> >> To: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>
> >> Cc: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>, Michael Sanders <
> >> michaelsanders6 at q.com>, trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:42:58 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> What price range are we talking? Is there a carbon fiber 9” bell
> >> available for an older SE Shires double rotor mass?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, James L Scott via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
> >> used to make some of the strongest cases
> >>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
> >> you can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a
> stand
> >> or chair.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Scott
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
> >>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>
> >>> [△EXTERNAL]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>
> >>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> >> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> >> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
> >> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>>
> >>> Raymond Horton
> >>> Composer/Arranger
> >>> Minister of Music,
> >>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>>
> >>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New
> Orleans
> >> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it.
> He
> >> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
> >> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
> see
> >> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Jeff Albert
> >>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it
> does
> >> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
> big
> >> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> play as
> >> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> >> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> >> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> >> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
> >> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making
> you
> >> will make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -j
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Trombone-l mailing list
> >>>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >>>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>>
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> >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Roger Carmichael <shiresbone at outlook.com>
> >> To: Roger Carmichael <shiresbone at outlook.com>
> >> Cc: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>, trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:45:22 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> Bass not mass
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Roger Carmichael via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What price range are we talking? Is there a carbon fiber 9” bell
> >> available for an older SE Shires double rotor mass?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:06 PM, James L Scott via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
> >> used to make some of the strongest cases
> >>>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
> >> you can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a
> stand
> >> or chair.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Scott
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
> >>>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>>
> >>>> [△EXTERNAL]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I
> am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >>>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>>
> >>>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> >> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> >> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
> >> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>>>
> >>>> Raymond Horton
> >>>> Composer/Arranger
> >>>> Minister of Music,
> >>>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >>>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >>>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of
> the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New
> >> Orleans has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds
> great on
> >> it. He let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at
> first.
> >> I am not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can
> definitely
> >> see how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Jeff
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----
> >>>>> Jeff Albert
> >>>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it
> >> does take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It
> isn't a
> >> big adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> >> play as you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> >> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> >> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> >> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
> >> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making
> you
> >> will make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -j
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Danner, Mearl" <jmdanner at samford.edu>
> >> To: "trombone-l at trombonelist.org" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Cc:
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:52:26 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> I'm a community band player also. Considered one for durabilities sake.
> >> Seems I have a slide dented about once a year. Sometimes my fault,
> >> sometimes not. Cramped venues, careless trumpets, etc. Would probably
> save
> >> the price of the slide over the years.
> >>
> >> Had one on order but had to cancel. Life gets in the way occasionally.
> >>
> >> Mearl
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:31 PM
> >> To: Raymond Horton
> >> Cc: trombone-l
> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>
> >> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>
> >> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> really
> >> wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> problems
> >> after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10 years. I
> >> would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Composer/Arranger
> >> Minister of Music,
> >> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>
> >>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New Orleans
> >> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it.
> He
> >> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
> >> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
> see
> >> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>
> >>> -Jeff
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> Jeff Albert
> >>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>>
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it does
> >> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
> big
> >> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> play as
> >> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> To
> >> be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> want
> >> a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> enough
> >> that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort, looks
> >> cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making you
> will
> >> make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -j
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >> To: James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca>
> >> Cc: Michael Sanders <michaelsanders6 at q.com>, trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:24:13 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> Excellent question! I can speak to carbon fiber slides, in relation to
> the
> >> Pbone. I took one on an educational trio gig, just to show as a
> curiosity.
> >> We were seated on very heavy, old-fashioned type wooden school chairs. I
> >> had the Pbone stuffed loosely in my double trombone gig bag next to my
> >> chair. At one point I leaned over to get a mute or something. The carbon
> >> fiber slide slipped under the leg of the chair and I sat down on it -
> all
> >> 200 pounds of me plus a lot of weight from the chair, and the slide was
> not
> >> damaged in the least!
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Composer/Arranger
> >> Minister of Music,
> >> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:05 PM, James L Scott <jscot at ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Carbon fiber is an extremely strong material. It doesn't dent, and is
> >> used to make some of the strongest cases
> >>> for musical instruments (among other things). Very little chance that
> >> you can damage a carbon fibre instrument, at least by just bumping a
> stand
> >> or chair.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Scott
> >>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:30 PM
> >>> To: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>
> >>> [△EXTERNAL]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>
> >>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> >> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> >> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
> >> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>>
> >>> Raymond Horton
> >>> Composer/Arranger
> >>> Minister of Music,
> >>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>>
> >>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New
> >> Orleans has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds
> great on
> >> it. He let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at
> first.
> >> I am not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can
> definitely
> >> see how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Jeff Albert
> >>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>>> http://www.jeffalbert.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it
> >> does take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It
> isn't a
> >> big adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> >> play as you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> >> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> >> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> >> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
> >> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making
> you
> >> will make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -j
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> >> To: "Danner, Mearl" <jmdanner at samford.edu>, "
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org"
> >> <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >> Cc:
> >> Bcc:
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:11:02 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >> I have had 3 carbon fiber slides over the years (not counting the pBone
> >> -- which I think is fiberglass & resin). One was an early "Jimmy Dell"
> >> slide. The other two I still own are made by Spurling. I've never
> >> damaged any of them. The is zero probability of denting the tubes, but
> >> they all have brass end crooks, which can be dented as usual. The
> >> Butler slides have carbon fiber end crooks.
> >>
> >> They are bound to be a lot more durable than brass slides. The only
> >> drawback is that if they aren't aligned perfectly, you can't adjust
> >> them. But if they are built right, they will never change alignment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2/7/2021 4:52 PM, Danner, Mearl via Trombone-l wrote:
> >>> I'm a community band player also. Considered one for durabilities sake.
> >> Seems I have a slide dented about once a year. Sometimes my fault,
> >> sometimes not. Cramped venues, careless trumpets, etc. Would probably
> save
> >> the price of the slide over the years.
> >>>
> >>> Had one on order but had to cancel. Life gets in the way occasionally.
> >>>
> >>> Mearl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael Sanders via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:31 PM
> >>> To: Raymond Horton
> >>> Cc: trombone-l
> >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>
> >>> I'm only a non professional player in a community band in Utah and I am
> >> getting to the age where I don't know how much longer I can keep it up.
> I
> >> have been following the comments about carbon fiber bells and slides. A
> >> question has arisen in my mind. These things are very expensive and I
> >> imagine that carbon fiber is rather brittle. What happens if you bang
> the
> >> slide or the bell against a stand or other hard object? Does it make a
> >> dent as in brass or does it crack and splinter? Can it be repaired or
> does
> >> the unfortunate owner have to replace it at great expense? Just
> wondering.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----From: "trombone-l" <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> To: "Jeff Albert" <jeff at jeffalbert.com>
> >>> Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:05:26 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Butler carbon fiber bells
> >>>
> >>> After trying that carbon fiber bass trombone in Muncie last year, I
> >> really wished it had been available back when I first developed shoulder
> >> problems after playing my heavy bell Bach 50B with Thayer valves for 10
> >> years. I would have gladly paid the money for it!
> >>>
> >>> Raymond Horton
> >>> Composer/Arranger
> >>> Minister of Music,
> >>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> >>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> >>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
> >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember Gabe Langfur making the point (years ago) that much of the
> >> mouthpiece/instrument design/weight/materials stuff we like to dig into
> >> matters significantly more from the player perspective than the listener
> >> perspective. I have come to agree with that take.
> >>>>
> >>>> One of the younger (and excellent) trombone players here in New
> Orleans
> >> has a carbon fiber slide for his Yamaha bell and he sounds great on it.
> He
> >> let me play it, and it is so light that it threw me a bit at first. I am
> >> not used to feeling so little mass in my slide hand. I can definitely
> see
> >> how a carbon fiber slide is an advantage in a New Orleans parade
> >> gig…whenever those might happen again.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Jeff Albert
> >>>> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> >>>>
> >>
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1IiATE7dH_Fr7bXBFWjFYoOX-mmWXQ66bJdeoM2rZQR9yGOwmIxtfEJUJUO5ArPJbOQ4zC4xabkFQgCIbq8JOCn2Ln6Bl70C-pTtjRSkiYNtyFU4WKQP2NGFw4bFqWo8L77tSyOmDKLKt63sUYLwlByfotRTLI1JsNbi8763r_dCMltvuW35mugJZxjuFZiCrTeuQky3qRTu2Y6JkGmM7DRR4KxlfoIEczYFHyQnGaFORirb3Zy4Gouvd3mfBqXkQv9Fb2Oxe28Ao4xLXPehNuG1Xaihv6eL8crfNpmFWORMAWKpfnle8pf8jxXDC7Rve/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffalbert.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 7, 2021, at 08:34, Craig Parmerlee <craig at parmerlee.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Out front, they do sound similar. From the player's position, it
> does
> >> take a little time to adjust to how it sounds from there. It isn't a
> big
> >> adjustment, like trying to make a pBone sound good. You can mostly
> play as
> >> you always have. Overall, I'd say these well-made carbon fiber
> >> instruments are very viable, especially if a person really values the
> light
> >> weight and/or looks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/5/2021 10:54 PM, Jeff Albert wrote:
> >>>>>> Yes, it was the deCarbo. Steve does still list them on his website.
> >> To be fully honest I am less interested in the carbon fiber part, I just
> >> want a cool looking black trombone. I guess I could just get my Yamaha
> >> relaquered in black. Would probably be cheaper.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the video, the two bells sound pretty similar to me. Similar
> >> enough that I would pick one for some reason other than sound (comfort,
> >> looks cool, whatever), because I think in the heat of the music making
> you
> >> will make it sound like you either way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -j
> >>>>>
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