[Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8

[Jim Theobald]

Conn Director at first then my very own LA Olds special which I dad for
decades.

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>    1. Re: Your first trombone? (Denny Seifried)
>    2. Re: Your first trombone? (Raymond Horton)
>    3. Re: Your first trombone? (Sam Louke)
>    4. Re: Your first trombone? (Rick Onofrey)
>    5. Re: Your first trombone? (Earl Needham)
>    6. Re: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 (mlsanders3 at juno.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:00:21 -0400
> From: "Denny Seifried" <ddsbstrb at woh.rr.com>
> To: <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
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> List Members....It is, indeed, great to see the list come alive once again.
> As I was telling Tom, in a reply to the first instrument topic, my first
> trombone was, sadly, not a "real" trombone, but, I  purchased a very nice
> Conn 5G valve bone. I picked this up around 1959, while I was a junior in
> Findlay (OH) High School, with money I earned in giging around on string
> bass. At that time, I was a tuba/string bass player and only had dreams and
> aspirations to be a trombone/bass trombone player, someday in the future.
>
> Those of you in my generation will remember those Conn Elkhart 5G's were
> actually a Conn Elkhart 6H bell section, a 5G valve section, and an
> optional
> Conn 6H slide section. The case was built to contain all three sections!
> Unfortunately, mine did not include the optional 6H slide section. I took
> the valve-bone with me to Bowling Green State Univ. in the fall of 1960;
> and, we found our way into the BGSU "underground" big band. In those days,
> you had to operate a big band in deep cover from the chair of the
> department! Around my junior year, I really had the "itch" to learn how to
> function on the......slide. While taking a walk to downtown Bowling Green,
> I
> had to pass Bigelow's Music Store. The owner, Jack Bigelow, was also a
> trombonist; so, I went in and asked Jack if he might have a used, Conn
> slide, which might fit my 6H bell. He went into the back a brought out a
> slightly used Conn 4H slide section. It fit the bell nut; but, I didn't
> realize at the time, it wasn't a .500 bore like the proper 6H slide. I
> surely didn't care, and began playing with the help of my best friend from
> BGSU, the late Frank North. Eventually, I switched my tuba lessons to
> trombone, and, began to study with Dave Glasmire.
>
> Sadly, I traded that Conn bell and slide section in on a 1964 King 3B,
> which
> took me through a lot of playing until I got into bass trombone playing in
> 1970. Sadly, I sold that King to a student, which I regret even today! This
> was a King with the small, counterbalance, before they went to the larger,
> black, weight.
>
> Maybe we need to start a thread on good/great trombone which were
> traded-off
> or sold; and, like a fool, you regret to this day.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Denny Seifried
> Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Sym., Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Jazz Central
> Big
> Band
> Bb Tuba-Ohio Valley British Brass Band, Western Ohio Tuba Quartet
> Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf Of
> Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM
> To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
>
> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy
> instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc.
>
>
> > Tom Ervin
> > ervint at u.arizona.edu
> > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone
> > player... ; >)
> > (520) 743-5062
> > website:    tom-ervin.com
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:29:08 -0400
> From: Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com>
> To: Denny Seifried <ddsbstrb at woh.rr.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
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> I don't have any horns that I wish I hadn't sold, but I once passed up a
> bargain that will drive many of you crazy. When I was a sophomore in high
> school, which would have been 1967 or 68, I was teaching a freshman girl
> trombone lessons occasionally, and I am pretty sure she had a crush on me.
> I did not own a trombone at the time, I was playing euphonium, and she knew
> I was looking for a "bass trombone". (I was quite uninformed at the time,
> and I thought that was the term for any trombone with an F attachment.) My
> student called me up one day, and told me she had been checking the
> classified ads and found a pawn shop that had a "bass trombone, $100" but
> warned me that, when she called the shop about it, the owner could not
> confirm that it had an F attachment, he said it was just "bigger than all
> the others".  My parents took us both down to see it, and it turned out to
> be a Conn 8H! I wiped off the slide oil and put slide cream and water on
> it, and it played just fine. However, I did not know that this was a
> tremendous bargain, and a tremendous horn (ignorance!) and was so focused
> on an F attachment that I passed it up. (The store owner, who had looked at
> me very suspiciously when I was cleaning the slide, wiped it all off and
> put oil on it again and put it back in the case.) If I had bought it, I
> think my career would have been much different, as I actually think I would
> have done much better on tenor trombone then I did on bass! But just over
> three years later, I auditioned for bass trombone in the Louisville
> Orchestra. I got it at a very key time in my life, as I was extremely
> concerned about money at the time. Second trombone was also open, but we
> had a guy from Curtis audition for that, and I never would have beat him.
> And So It Goes, little decisions in life have big impact later. I hope this
> wasn't too much off topic, and might have been of interest to some of you.
> I actually appreciate being able to relate the story to an audience that
> would really understand! (I would like to go back and buy that 8H for 100
> bucks, but it might not fit in the DeLorean.)
>
> On Aug 23, 2017 2:01 PM, "Denny Seifried via Trombone-l" <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>
> > List Members....It is, indeed, great to see the list come alive once
> again.
> > As I was telling Tom, in a reply to the first instrument topic, my first
> > trombone was, sadly, not a "real" trombone, but, I  purchased a very nice
> > Conn 5G valve bone. I picked this up around 1959, while I was a junior in
> > Findlay (OH) High School, with money I earned in giging around on string
> > bass. At that time, I was a tuba/string bass player and only had dreams
> and
> > aspirations to be a trombone/bass trombone player, someday in the future.
> >
> > Those of you in my generation will remember those Conn Elkhart 5G's were
> > actually a Conn Elkhart 6H bell section, a 5G valve section, and an
> > optional
> > Conn 6H slide section. The case was built to contain all three sections!
> > Unfortunately, mine did not include the optional 6H slide section. I took
> > the valve-bone with me to Bowling Green State Univ. in the fall of 1960;
> > and, we found our way into the BGSU "underground" big band. In those
> days,
> > you had to operate a big band in deep cover from the chair of the
> > department! Around my junior year, I really had the "itch" to learn how
> to
> > function on the......slide. While taking a walk to downtown Bowling
> Green,
> > I
> > had to pass Bigelow's Music Store. The owner, Jack Bigelow, was also a
> > trombonist; so, I went in and asked Jack if he might have a used, Conn
> > slide, which might fit my 6H bell. He went into the back a brought out a
> > slightly used Conn 4H slide section. It fit the bell nut; but, I didn't
> > realize at the time, it wasn't a .500 bore like the proper 6H slide. I
> > surely didn't care, and began playing with the help of my best friend
> from
> > BGSU, the late Frank North. Eventually, I switched my tuba lessons to
> > trombone, and, began to study with Dave Glasmire.
> >
> > Sadly, I traded that Conn bell and slide section in on a 1964 King 3B,
> > which
> > took me through a lot of playing until I got into bass trombone playing
> in
> > 1970. Sadly, I sold that King to a student, which I regret even today!
> This
> > was a King with the small, counterbalance, before they went to the
> larger,
> > black, weight.
> >
> > Maybe we need to start a thread on good/great trombone which were
> > traded-off
> > or sold; and, like a fool, you regret to this day.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Denny Seifried
> > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Sym., Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Jazz Central
> > Big
> > Band
> > Bb Tuba-Ohio Valley British Brass Band, Western Ohio Tuba Quartet
> > Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM
> > To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> > Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
> >
> > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy
> > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc.
> >
> >
> > > Tom Ervin
> > > ervint at u.arizona.edu
> > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone
> > > player... ; >)
> > > (520) 743-5062
> > > website:    tom-ervin.com
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:36:29 -0700
> From: "Sam Louke" <sam.louke at gmail.com>
> To: <Trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
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> My first recollection is a Conn Director in 6th grade in 1967. In high
> school I got a Conn 88H. In college at UC Santa Barbara I borrowed the
> school's Bach 50B for jazz band and continued to use the 88H for band and
> orchestra. In my senior year I bought a roommate's Bach 42B. In the 80's I
> had it completely overhauled and stripped and re-lacquered and a couple of
> years ago the Slide Dr. did his magic and I still have and play it! 15
> years
> ago I also bought a Getzen 3062 custom bass bone and still use it, too.
>
> Whew, amazing I still remember all that!
>
> Sam Louke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) [mailto:ervint at email.arizona.edu]
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
>
> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy
> instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc.
>
> > Tom Ervin
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:05:34 -0400
> From: Rick Onofrey <reonofreyj at comcast.net>
> To: "Trombone-l at trombonelist.org" <Trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
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> I started playing in college, so all I could afford was a $50 Bundy.
> Served me well for four years, and I passed it on to my oldest son when he
> was in middle school.  (It took a beating there.)
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: Ervin,Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM
> To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
>
> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy
> instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc.
>
>
> > Tom Ervin
> > ervint at u.arizona.edu
> > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus)
> > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >)
> > (520) 743-5062
> > website:    tom-ervin.com
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:18:21 -0600
> From: Earl Needham <earl.kd5xb at gmail.com>
> To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone?
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> Right you are, Price!  My fist instrument was also a King Cleveland, but
> along about 1966.  I still ha ever it, and as bad as it's been beaten up,
> it still plays about the same.  Except the slide is beat up too.  :-(
>
> Earl
> Clovis, NM USA
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2017 9:13 AM, "Price Taylor via Trombone-l" <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>
> FIrst trombone, King Cleveland. Lightly used and good condition, in 5th
> grade in 1969. Bequeathed it to my high school for marching band use before
> graduating.
>
> Not a bad first instrument, IMO!
>
> Price Taylor
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> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:21:55 GMT
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> I started in the 8th grade on a rented Holton.  The next year my
> grandmother bought me a King Liberty 2B.  My band director, B. H. Walker
> prized the 2B above everything else and recommended it.  I still have the
> 2B and play it.  Several years ago I stumbled on a Bach Model 6-IV made in
> 1936 at a thrift store for $70.00.  My trombone teacher, Dr Call at BYU has
> tried to buy it from me but I won't let him have it.(:  Recently I found a
> Conn 50H on Ebay for less than $200.00 in really good condition.  While it
> isn't a professional horn it is good enough for me to learn to play the
> bass trombone.  I am not a professional and went 47 years without playing
> until I joined a community band in American Fork, Utah.  That is my story.
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