From jim at jimnova.com  Wed Mar  1 17:18:36 2023
From: jim at jimnova.com (Jim Nova)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 18:18:36 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Rocky Suite overdub
Message-ID: <CA4BB501-30E9-48BF-B666-0F035351481F@jimnova.com>

Rocky Suite 
By Bill Conti
Arr. Jim Nova

As some of you know, last summer I was diagnosed with a bilateral hernia. While hernias aren?t life threatening and are common, they?re scary for brass players. No, it wasn?t too much high range trombone playing that caused it? ? Turns out it runs in my family and all the heavy manual labor I did as a kid working in my Dad?s restaurant and for moving companies in the summers during college is what set the injury in motion?

Last spring, I started feeling nagging abdominal pain and just thought it was from the journey I was on to lose my COVID weight as I dropped 50lbs. and got back into good shape. 

Last summer it got worse and worse. I played hurt and any time you heard me play at STS, ITF, or on tour with the PSO, I was in serious pain as I bided my time until I could get the surgery to correct this injury. 

On September 7th, 2 days after coming home from the PSO European tour, I was on an operating table, having major abdominal surgery. This was the scariest moment of my professional career, as I knew this would fundamentally change the way I play for the rest of my career.

Even though the initial recovery took about 4 weeks, and I was back onstage shortly thereafter, I?m still recalibrating and dealing with residual pain and adjustments. I?m basically relearning how to play and it?s still ongoing. 

When thinking about what would be my first ?post surgery? overdub, I gravitated strongly to the music from Rocky. It?s always been one of my favorite movies and scores, the ultimate comeback story. Since I spent 4 years in Philly when I went to Curtis, it just made sense. 

My arrangement, scored for 10 trombones (2 altos doubling on soprano, 6 tenors, 2 basses doubling on contra), drums and electric bass. It starts with ?Philadelphia morning? as I connected to the sentiments of uncertainty and worry coming out of surgery. And then I of course had to have the training montage music, ?Gonna Fly Now? as I continue to navigate getting my playing back to level ground. I?m still fighting through? 

Special thanks to my amazing PSO colleagues, Andy Reamer (drums) and Jeff Grubbs (bass) for playing on this project. 

Hope you enjoy my comeback overdub! As the saying goes, ?A warrior doesn?t always win, but they always fight??

? ? 

https://youtu.be/i1JGP8f6oJM <https://youtu.be/i1JGP8f6oJM>

https://soundcloud.com/jimnova/rocky-suite <https://soundcloud.com/jimnova/rocky-suite>

James Nova
Trombone - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
Brass Area Coordinator and Adjunct Trombone Faculty - Duquesne University
Brass Coach - Three Rivers Young Peoples Orchestras
jimnova.com





From horton.raymond at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 19:57:20 2023
From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 20:57:20 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Rocky Suite overdub
In-Reply-To: <CA4BB501-30E9-48BF-B666-0F035351481F@jimnova.com>
References: <CA4BB501-30E9-48BF-B666-0F035351481F@jimnova.com>
Message-ID: <2A3D5486-5DC7-48D8-8FB1-F58685F511E3@gmail.com>

Wow, what a story! Amazing that you can come back after all of that and play so well on this  recording!! Stay well!

Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger 
Minister of Music, 
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 6:19 PM, Jim Nova via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Rocky Suite 
> By Bill Conti
> Arr. Jim Nova
> 
> As some of you know, last summer I was diagnosed with a bilateral hernia. While hernias aren?t life threatening and are common, they?re scary for brass players. No, it wasn?t too much high range trombone playing that caused it? ? Turns out it runs in my family and all the heavy manual labor I did as a kid working in my Dad?s restaurant and for moving companies in the summers during college is what set the injury in motion?
> 
> Last spring, I started feeling nagging abdominal pain and just thought it was from the journey I was on to lose my COVID weight as I dropped 50lbs. and got back into good shape. 
> 
> Last summer it got worse and worse. I played hurt and any time you heard me play at STS, ITF, or on tour with the PSO, I was in serious pain as I bided my time until I could get the surgery to correct this injury. 
> 
> On September 7th, 2 days after coming home from the PSO European tour, I was on an operating table, having major abdominal surgery. This was the scariest moment of my professional career, as I knew this would fundamentally change the way I play for the rest of my career.
> 
> Even though the initial recovery took about 4 weeks, and I was back onstage shortly thereafter, I?m still recalibrating and dealing with residual pain and adjustments. I?m basically relearning how to play and it?s still ongoing. 
> 
> When thinking about what would be my first ?post surgery? overdub, I gravitated strongly to the music from Rocky. It?s always been one of my favorite movies and scores, the ultimate comeback story. Since I spent 4 years in Philly when I went to Curtis, it just made sense. 
> 
> My arrangement, scored for 10 trombones (2 altos doubling on soprano, 6 tenors, 2 basses doubling on contra), drums and electric bass. It starts with ?Philadelphia morning? as I connected to the sentiments of uncertainty and worry coming out of surgery. And then I of course had to have the training montage music, ?Gonna Fly Now? as I continue to navigate getting my playing back to level ground. I?m still fighting through? 
> 
> Special thanks to my amazing PSO colleagues, Andy Reamer (drums) and Jeff Grubbs (bass) for playing on this project. 
> 
> Hope you enjoy my comeback overdub! As the saying goes, ?A warrior doesn?t always win, but they always fight??
> 
> ? ? 
> 
> https://youtu.be/i1JGP8f6oJM <https://youtu.be/i1JGP8f6oJM>
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/jimnova/rocky-suite <https://soundcloud.com/jimnova/rocky-suite>
> 
> James Nova
> Trombone - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
> Brass Area Coordinator and Adjunct Trombone Faculty - Duquesne University
> Brass Coach - Three Rivers Young Peoples Orchestras
> jimnova.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
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From jim at jimnova.com  Wed Mar  1 20:06:57 2023
From: jim at jimnova.com (Jim Nova)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 21:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Rocky Suite overdub
In-Reply-To: <2A3D5486-5DC7-48D8-8FB1-F58685F511E3@gmail.com>
References: <CA4BB501-30E9-48BF-B666-0F035351481F@jimnova.com>
 <2A3D5486-5DC7-48D8-8FB1-F58685F511E3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <640AC5F3-50E1-4FD1-B37E-70A9FD2AC080@jimnova.com>

Thanks Raymond!!


James Nova
Trombone - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
Brass Area Coordinator and Adjunct Trombone Faculty - Duquesne University
Brass Coach - Three Rivers Young Peoples Orchestras
jimnova.com




> On Mar 1, 2023, at 8:57 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raymond at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow, what a story! Amazing that you can come back after all of that and play so well on this  recording!! Stay well!
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Composer/Arranger 
> Minister of Music, 
> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 6:19 PM, Jim Nova via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Rocky Suite 
>> By Bill Conti
>> Arr. Jim Nova
>> 
>> As some of you know, last summer I was diagnosed with a bilateral hernia. While hernias aren?t life threatening and are common, they?re scary for brass players. No, it wasn?t too much high range trombone playing that caused it? ? Turns out it runs in my family and all the heavy manual labor I did as a kid working in my Dad?s restaurant and for moving companies in the summers during college is what set the injury in motion?
>> 
>> Last spring, I started feeling nagging abdominal pain and just thought it was from the journey I was on to lose my COVID weight as I dropped 50lbs. and got back into good shape. 
>> 
>> Last summer it got worse and worse. I played hurt and any time you heard me play at STS, ITF, or on tour with the PSO, I was in serious pain as I bided my time until I could get the surgery to correct this injury. 
>> 
>> On September 7th, 2 days after coming home from the PSO European tour, I was on an operating table, having major abdominal surgery. This was the scariest moment of my professional career, as I knew this would fundamentally change the way I play for the rest of my career.
>> 
>> Even though the initial recovery took about 4 weeks, and I was back onstage shortly thereafter, I?m still recalibrating and dealing with residual pain and adjustments. I?m basically relearning how to play and it?s still ongoing. 
>> 
>> When thinking about what would be my first ?post surgery? overdub, I gravitated strongly to the music from Rocky. It?s always been one of my favorite movies and scores, the ultimate comeback story. Since I spent 4 years in Philly when I went to Curtis, it just made sense. 
>> 
>> My arrangement, scored for 10 trombones (2 altos doubling on soprano, 6 tenors, 2 basses doubling on contra), drums and electric bass. It starts with ?Philadelphia morning? as I connected to the sentiments of uncertainty and worry coming out of surgery. And then I of course had to have the training montage music, ?Gonna Fly Now? as I continue to navigate getting my playing back to level ground. I?m still fighting through? 
>> 
>> Special thanks to my amazing PSO colleagues, Andy Reamer (drums) and Jeff Grubbs (bass) for playing on this project. 
>> 
>> Hope you enjoy my comeback overdub! As the saying goes, ?A warrior doesn?t always win, but they always fight??
>> 
>> ? ? 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/i1JGP8f6oJM <https://youtu.be/i1JGP8f6oJM>
>> 
>> https://soundcloud.com/jimnova/rocky-suite <https://soundcloud.com/jimnova/rocky-suite>
>> 
>> James Nova
>> Trombone - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
>> Brass Area Coordinator and Adjunct Trombone Faculty - Duquesne University
>> Brass Coach - Three Rivers Young Peoples Orchestras
>> jimnova.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Trombone-l mailing list
>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org


From horton.raymond at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 18:35:02 2023
From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 19:35:02 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Interview with M. Guilford
Message-ID: <C8C1F97E-54A8-4086-9E44-861D94EC77E6@gmail.com>

https://fb.watch/j2iV4Rouss/?mibextid=q5o4bk


Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger 
Minister of Music, 
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016


From mpgwade at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:04:15 2023
From: mpgwade at gmail.com (Malcolm Wade)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:04:15 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Videos for Cancer Research
Message-ID: <CAOsFsBX5p7oS94AiBwhdNTjSE9dpBbdkYk1-38eLEao01jtGmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone.

I hope this is an approprate place for the following.

I have created a gofund me page here
<https://www.gofundme.com/f/cancer-eradication-campaign>, to raise money
for the Canadian Cancer Society.  On that page are two videos with
recordings I made (along with pianist Fred Lacroix) of Brahms' Vier Ernste
Ges?nge #'s 1 and 3.
My inspiration was the passing of two trombonist friends of mine, Don
Renshaw (Principal of NACO) and Greg Furlong (Founding member of Sonar?).

The rest of the story is found in the link

Please share this link as you see fit.

Thanks so much

*Malcolm Wade*

*(613) 322-7913*

*malcolmwade.ca <http://malcolmwade.ca>*

From horton.raymond at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 00:02:18 2023
From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 01:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Solo Trombonist with Pearl Bailey on ed Sullivan show?
Message-ID: <DF1E7DDF-80E3-44D7-A5E9-C1651FD55C84@gmail.com>

I just saw, on the MeTV Network, the syndicated show of clips from the old Ed Sullivan show, and terrific performance of ?I believe? by Singer Pearl Bailey with a fantastic jazz trombonist and rhythm.  I imagine it was from the mid- early 1970s, as it was in color. 
Does anybody know who the trombonist was?

Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger 
Minister of Music, 
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016

From art at awtriggs.com  Mon Mar 20 03:19:40 2023
From: art at awtriggs.com (Art Triggs)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 04:19:40 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Solo Trombonist with Pearl Bailey on ed Sullivan
 show?
In-Reply-To: <DF1E7DDF-80E3-44D7-A5E9-C1651FD55C84@gmail.com>
References: <DF1E7DDF-80E3-44D7-A5E9-C1651FD55C84@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHkwCrZccfrxR1OQLahVEd30qdt5rAANshk7DOiKMu6-GUapDw@mail.gmail.com>

That trombonist was Wayne Andre.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 01:03 Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> I just saw, on the MeTV Network, the syndicated show of clips from the old
> Ed Sullivan show, and terrific performance of ?I believe? by Singer Pearl
> Bailey with a fantastic jazz trombonist and rhythm.  I imagine it was from
> the mid- early 1970s, as it was in color.
> Does anybody know who the trombonist was?
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer/Arranger
> Minister of Music,
> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> _______________________________________________
> Trombone-l mailing list
> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
>
-- 
Art Triggs
914-819-8432
art at awtriggs.com

From horton.raymond at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 12:43:45 2023
From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:43:45 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Solo Trombonist with Pearl Bailey on ed Sullivan
 show?
In-Reply-To: <CAHkwCrZccfrxR1OQLahVEd30qdt5rAANshk7DOiKMu6-GUapDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DF1E7DDF-80E3-44D7-A5E9-C1651FD55C84@gmail.com>
 <CAHkwCrZccfrxR1OQLahVEd30qdt5rAANshk7DOiKMu6-GUapDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMjx4A5g=xzwn3ro8Q=RHgLAdNwr68dciD54wbi7aLqCuD9ig@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! Great player!

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com


On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 4:20?AM Art Triggs via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> That trombonist was Wayne Andre.
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 01:03 Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>
> > I just saw, on the MeTV Network, the syndicated show of clips from the
> old
> > Ed Sullivan show, and terrific performance of ?I believe? by Singer Pearl
> > Bailey with a fantastic jazz trombonist and rhythm.  I imagine it was
> from
> > the mid- early 1970s, as it was in color.
> > Does anybody know who the trombonist was?
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer/Arranger
> > Minister of Music,
> > Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist,
> > Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> > _______________________________________________
> > Trombone-l mailing list
> > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >
> --
> Art Triggs
> 914-819-8432
> art at awtriggs.com
> _______________________________________________
> Trombone-l mailing list
> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
>

From horton.raymond at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 14:18:23 2023
From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:18:23 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] [c-m] "Gold Mine" of OLD Music
In-Reply-To: <07d201d95ce3$104f14d0$30ed3e70$@gmail.com>
References: <2C0C09FC-2FD4-4664-A07B-4D787FACA3BA@gmail.com>
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*Fillmore was a notorious racist. * *There was a long chain of discussions
about these pieces on trombone-l at trombonelist.org
<trombone-l at trombonelist.org> several years back.  Some members felt they
could be played with some context included, some wanted them banned
outright.  *

Henry Filmore's "Trombone Family":

   - "Miss Trombone (A Slippery Rag)" (1908)
   - "Teddy Trombone (A Brother to Miss Trombone)" (1911)
   - "Lassus Trombone (The Cullud Valet to Miss Trombone)" (1915)

*This one became the biggest "hit," despite the fact that it is usually
played much faster than originally indicated, something like "A Slow Rag,"
IIRC.  "Lassus" is short for molasses, as in "as slow as molasses in
January."   *

   - "Pahson Trombone (Lassus Trombone's 'Ole Man')" (1916)
   - "Sally Trombone (Pahson Trombone's Eldest Gal Some Crow)" (1917) *If
   it could be divorced from it's very racist origin, musically one of the
   best.*
   - "Slim Trombone (Sally Trombone's Cousin- the Jazzin' One Step Kid)"
   (1918) *Ditto*
   - "Mose Trombone (He's Slim Trombone's Buddy)" (1919)
   - "Shoutin' Liza Trombone (Mose Trombone's Ah-finity)" (1920) (Also
   known as "Hallelujah Trombone" for the quote from Handel's "Messiah"
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_Part_II#44>) *The second most
   popular.*
   - "Hot Trombone (He's Jes a Fren' ob Shoutin' Liza Trombone)" (1921)
   - "Bones Trombone (He's Jes as Warm as Hot Trombone)" (1922)
   - "Dusty Trombone" (1923)
   - "Bull Trombone (A Cullud Toreador)" (1924)
   - "Lucky Trombone" (1926)
   - "Boss Trombone" (1929)
   - "Ham Trombone" (1929)


Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 2:52?PM David Miller <dpm39560 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, C-M Friends,
>
>
>
> James Chesterton wrote (clipped):
>
> ===========================
>
> The Terre Haute Community Band has approximately seven hundred band
> arrangements in our files awaiting processing into our active library. Most
> of the pieces, which were gifted to us several years ago, are from the late
> 1880's to 1950. Many of the Octavo pieces are VERY POLITICALLY INCORRECT
> and not perform-able today
>
> ===========================
>
> It seems that many of these un-performable pieces will be in the public
> domain, and I speculate the reason they are not performable has nothing to
> do with the music, but more to do with the title or other text associated
> with the piece.
>
>
>
> For these pieces, namely those in the public domain, which this year in
> the U.S. includes all pieces published in 1927 or earlier, why don?t we
> just re-engrave those pieces and give them a new name (title)?  We could
> perhaps make a note on the inside front cover of the conductor?s score
> acknowledging the source of the tune and what it was originally named, and
> why we have renamed it in this edition.  Of course, we should acknowledge
> the original composer right on the music itself.
>
>
>
> Didn?t Henry Fillmore write a passel of Trombone smears with titles that
> would be somewhat inappropriate today? Most of them are still good music,
> so if they are in the public domain, why not go ahead and re-engrave/rename
> them? That way, we would have a big source of great music for us all to
> play.
>
>
>
> If this becomes a thing, we should probably have a central clearing house
> to (a) coordinate renamings and re-engravings, to make sure (b) there is no
> duplication of effort or conflicts in re-namings. But we can discuss that
> if the idea gains traction.
>
>
>
> Take care, all,
>
>
>
>
> *  David*
> David P. Miller
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Business Founder
> Mississippi Community Symphonic Bands, Inc.
> www.mcsb.us
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Composer, Arranger, Publisher of Music for Concert Bands
> Silver Clef Music Publishing, Inc.
> www.SilverClefMusic.com <http://www.silverclefmusic.com/>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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From jscot at ucalgary.ca  Wed Mar 22 15:18:40 2023
From: jscot at ucalgary.ca (James L Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 20:18:40 +0000
Subject: [Trombone-l] [c-m] "Gold Mine" of OLD Music
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Just to quickly respond to the original email without, hopefully, starting a big contentious discussion here -

The Fillmore "trombone" pieces were all composed for Minstrel Shows where much of the entertainment centered around ridiculing people of African descent. Those shows were popular in the Jim Crow era when segregation was the rule of the land in much of the US and the stereotypes being portrayed in those shows was intended to preserve sentiment against people of color. Blackface featured prominently in those shows.

For me, changing titles is a waste of time, because I know what the composer's intent was in writing those pieces, and I don't wish to participate in carrying on the tradition. I used to play "Lassus" as a trombone demo on children's concerts - not anymore. I don't feel bad about playing this music in the past, but I have more information and context at this point and have come to the conclusion that if even one person feels that I am disrespecting an entire race of people by performing it, then it's not for me.

Fillmore wrote some marches, etc. with not only no objectionable titles, but also no connection to racist forms of entertainment. I wouldn't have an issue with playing some of those pieces. To me it's like humor - there are some old jokes that "wear well" to this day, but some that most of us would never repeat. Society evolves - I hope I have too.

Jim Scott
________________________________
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*Fillmore was a notorious racist. * *There was a long chain of discussions
about these pieces on trombone-l at trombonelist.org
<trombone-l at trombonelist.org> several years back.  Some members felt they
could be played with some context included, some wanted them banned
outright.  *

Henry Filmore's "Trombone Family":

   - "Miss Trombone (A Slippery Rag)" (1908)
   - "Teddy Trombone (A Brother to Miss Trombone)" (1911)
   - "Lassus Trombone (The Cullud Valet to Miss Trombone)" (1915)

*This one became the biggest "hit," despite the fact that it is usually
played much faster than originally indicated, something like "A Slow Rag,"
IIRC.  "Lassus" is short for molasses, as in "as slow as molasses in
January."   *

   - "Pahson Trombone (Lassus Trombone's 'Ole Man')" (1916)
   - "Sally Trombone (Pahson Trombone's Eldest Gal Some Crow)" (1917) *If
   it could be divorced from it's very racist origin, musically one of the
   best.*
   - "Slim Trombone (Sally Trombone's Cousin- the Jazzin' One Step Kid)"
   (1918) *Ditto*
   - "Mose Trombone (He's Slim Trombone's Buddy)" (1919)
   - "Shoutin' Liza Trombone (Mose Trombone's Ah-finity)" (1920) (Also
   known as "Hallelujah Trombone" for the quote from Handel's "Messiah"
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_Part_II#44>) *The second most
   popular.*
   - "Hot Trombone (He's Jes a Fren' ob Shoutin' Liza Trombone)" (1921)
   - "Bones Trombone (He's Jes as Warm as Hot Trombone)" (1922)
   - "Dusty Trombone" (1923)
   - "Bull Trombone (A Cullud Toreador)" (1924)
   - "Lucky Trombone" (1926)
   - "Boss Trombone" (1929)
   - "Ham Trombone" (1929)


Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 2:52?PM David Miller <dpm39560 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, C-M Friends,
>
>
>
> James Chesterton wrote (clipped):
>
> ===========================
>
> The Terre Haute Community Band has approximately seven hundred band
> arrangements in our files awaiting processing into our active library. Most
> of the pieces, which were gifted to us several years ago, are from the late
> 1880's to 1950. Many of the Octavo pieces are VERY POLITICALLY INCORRECT
> and not perform-able today
>
> ===========================
>
> It seems that many of these un-performable pieces will be in the public
> domain, and I speculate the reason they are not performable has nothing to
> do with the music, but more to do with the title or other text associated
> with the piece.
>
>
>
> For these pieces, namely those in the public domain, which this year in
> the U.S. includes all pieces published in 1927 or earlier, why don?t we
> just re-engrave those pieces and give them a new name (title)?  We could
> perhaps make a note on the inside front cover of the conductor?s score
> acknowledging the source of the tune and what it was originally named, and
> why we have renamed it in this edition.  Of course, we should acknowledge
> the original composer right on the music itself.
>
>
>
> Didn?t Henry Fillmore write a passel of Trombone smears with titles that
> would be somewhat inappropriate today? Most of them are still good music,
> so if they are in the public domain, why not go ahead and re-engrave/rename
> them? That way, we would have a big source of great music for us all to
> play.
>
>
>
> If this becomes a thing, we should probably have a central clearing house
> to (a) coordinate renamings and re-engravings, to make sure (b) there is no
> duplication of effort or conflicts in re-namings. But we can discuss that
> if the idea gains traction.
>
>
>
> Take care, all,
>
>
>
>
> *  David*
> David P. Miller
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Business Founder
> Mississippi Community Symphonic Bands, Inc.
> www.mcsb.us<http://www.mcsb.us>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Composer, Arranger, Publisher of Music for Concert Bands
> Silver Clef Music Publishing, Inc.
> www.SilverClefMusic.com<http://www.SilverClefMusic.com> <http://www.silverclefmusic.com/>
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From art at awtriggs.com  Wed Mar 22 16:47:26 2023
From: art at awtriggs.com (Art Triggs)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:47:26 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] [c-m] "Gold Mine" of OLD Music
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I would agree with Jim, whether or not they were good or bad, musically,
socially, at least in my opinion they were despicable and should not be
forgotten - but not performed, and remembered for what they really stood
for.
Art Triggs
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On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:19?PM James L Scott via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> Just to quickly respond to the original email without, hopefully, starting
> a big contentious discussion here -
>
> The Fillmore "trombone" pieces were all composed for Minstrel Shows where
> much of the entertainment centered around ridiculing people of African
> descent. Those shows were popular in the Jim Crow era when segregation was
> the rule of the land in much of the US and the stereotypes being portrayed
> in those shows was intended to preserve sentiment against people of color.
> Blackface featured prominently in those shows.
>
> For me, changing titles is a waste of time, because I know what the
> composer's intent was in writing those pieces, and I don't wish to
> participate in carrying on the tradition. I used to play "Lassus" as a
> trombone demo on children's concerts - not anymore. I don't feel bad about
> playing this music in the past, but I have more information and context at
> this point and have come to the conclusion that if even one person feels
> that I am disrespecting an entire race of people by performing it, then
> it's not for me.
>
> Fillmore wrote some marches, etc. with not only no objectionable titles,
> but also no connection to racist forms of entertainment. I wouldn't have an
> issue with playing some of those pieces. To me it's like humor - there are
> some old jokes that "wear well" to this day, but some that most of us would
> never repeat. Society evolves - I hope I have too.
>
> Jim Scott
> ________________________________
> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of
> Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 1:18 PM
> To: c-m at groups.io <c-m at groups.io>; List Trombone <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] [c-m] "Gold Mine" of OLD Music
>
> [?EXTERNAL]
>
>
>
> *Fillmore was a notorious racist. * *There was a long chain of discussions
> about these pieces on trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> several years back.  Some members felt they
> could be played with some context included, some wanted them banned
> outright.  *
>
> Henry Filmore's "Trombone Family":
>
>    - "Miss Trombone (A Slippery Rag)" (1908)
>    - "Teddy Trombone (A Brother to Miss Trombone)" (1911)
>    - "Lassus Trombone (The Cullud Valet to Miss Trombone)" (1915)
>
> *This one became the biggest "hit," despite the fact that it is usually
> played much faster than originally indicated, something like "A Slow Rag,"
> IIRC.  "Lassus" is short for molasses, as in "as slow as molasses in
> January."   *
>
>    - "Pahson Trombone (Lassus Trombone's 'Ole Man')" (1916)
>    - "Sally Trombone (Pahson Trombone's Eldest Gal Some Crow)" (1917) *If
>    it could be divorced from it's very racist origin, musically one of the
>    best.*
>    - "Slim Trombone (Sally Trombone's Cousin- the Jazzin' One Step Kid)"
>    (1918) *Ditto*
>    - "Mose Trombone (He's Slim Trombone's Buddy)" (1919)
>    - "Shoutin' Liza Trombone (Mose Trombone's Ah-finity)" (1920) (Also
>    known as "Hallelujah Trombone" for the quote from Handel's "Messiah"
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_Part_II#44>) *The second most
>    popular.*
>    - "Hot Trombone (He's Jes a Fren' ob Shoutin' Liza Trombone)" (1921)
>    - "Bones Trombone (He's Jes as Warm as Hot Trombone)" (1922)
>    - "Dusty Trombone" (1923)
>    - "Bull Trombone (A Cullud Toreador)" (1924)
>    - "Lucky Trombone" (1926)
>    - "Boss Trombone" (1929)
>    - "Ham Trombone" (1929)
>
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 2:52?PM David Miller <dpm39560 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, C-M Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > James Chesterton wrote (clipped):
> >
> > ===========================
> >
> > The Terre Haute Community Band has approximately seven hundred band
> > arrangements in our files awaiting processing into our active library.
> Most
> > of the pieces, which were gifted to us several years ago, are from the
> late
> > 1880's to 1950. Many of the Octavo pieces are VERY POLITICALLY INCORRECT
> > and not perform-able today
> >
> > ===========================
> >
> > It seems that many of these un-performable pieces will be in the public
> > domain, and I speculate the reason they are not performable has nothing
> to
> > do with the music, but more to do with the title or other text associated
> > with the piece.
> >
> >
> >
> > For these pieces, namely those in the public domain, which this year in
> > the U.S. includes all pieces published in 1927 or earlier, why don?t we
> > just re-engrave those pieces and give them a new name (title)?  We could
> > perhaps make a note on the inside front cover of the conductor?s score
> > acknowledging the source of the tune and what it was originally named,
> and
> > why we have renamed it in this edition.  Of course, we should acknowledge
> > the original composer right on the music itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Didn?t Henry Fillmore write a passel of Trombone smears with titles that
> > would be somewhat inappropriate today? Most of them are still good music,
> > so if they are in the public domain, why not go ahead and
> re-engrave/rename
> > them? That way, we would have a big source of great music for us all to
> > play.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this becomes a thing, we should probably have a central clearing house
> > to (a) coordinate renamings and re-engravings, to make sure (b) there is
> no
> > duplication of effort or conflicts in re-namings. But we can discuss that
> > if the idea gains traction.
> >
> >
> >
> > Take care, all,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *  David*
> > David P. Miller
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Business Founder
> > Mississippi Community Symphonic Bands, Inc.
> > www.mcsb.us<http://www.mcsb.us>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Composer, Arranger, Publisher of Music for Concert Bands
> > Silver Clef Music Publishing, Inc.
> > www.SilverClefMusic.com<http://www.SilverClefMusic.com> <
> http://www.silverclefmusic.com/>
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
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From drbach6 at aol.com  Fri Mar 24 22:25:00 2023
From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda L Landis)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 03:25:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Trombone-l] Solo Trombonist with Pearl Bailey on ed Sullivan
 show?
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I don?t know who played on the TV?show, but Urbie green is the trombone soloist?on her tune?I Believe on the LP.?


Linda L. LandisLead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra,Private InstructorSent from the all new Aol app for iOS


On Monday, March 20, 2023, 1:44 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

Thanks! Great player!

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com


On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 4:20?AM Art Triggs via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> That trombonist was Wayne Andre.
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 01:03 Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>
> > I just saw, on the MeTV Network, the syndicated show of clips from the
> old
> > Ed Sullivan show, and terrific performance of ?I believe? by Singer Pearl
> > Bailey with a fantastic jazz trombonist and rhythm.? I imagine it was
> from
> > the mid- early 1970s, as it was in color.
> > Does anybody know who the trombonist was?
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer/Arranger
> > Minister of Music,
> > Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist,
> > Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
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From studer_je at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 27 20:43:24 2023
From: studer_je at hotmail.com (Jon Studer)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:43:24 +0000
Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain
Message-ID: <BN0P221MB04469293A8386289179731359E889@BN0P221MB0446.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I spend most of day job at the computer and use lots of keyboard shortcuts that involve my pinky finger on my left hand. Over the last few weeks, I?ve started developing some pain and minor numbness in my pinky that extends into my hand. 

Playing my trombone tonight I realized that the pain is also happening as I hold my horn and use my pinky to hold the slide when not locked. 
I?ve noticed that I also tend to use the pinky to hold the weight of my mobile phone while using it for other than phone calls. I?m working to retrain my self on this to reduce stress on it. 

I regularly use ErgoBone to hold the weight of my horn, so no pain in my hand, just my pinky at the finger knuckles. 

Any suggestions on how I can head this off before it gets worse would be much appreciated. 

Thanks in advance,
-Jon


From jscot at ucalgary.ca  Mon Mar 27 21:23:54 2023
From: jscot at ucalgary.ca (James L Scott)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:23:54 +0000
Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain
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I had some similar issues when I played a Conn 8H from the '50's with no slide lock - I would suggest trying to break the habit of using your pinky to hold the slide. Try using a trombone stand more often - set the horn down on the stand for any longer rests, and rest the bell on your leg with the slide being able to touch the floor for shorter rests.

You may have to use the pinky that way for certain occasions (a quick addition of a mute comes to mind), but if you find other ways to hold the horn and secure the slide for most of the time, that should help a lot.

Hope your hand heals soon - I've recently had some physio to deal with some left hand pain, and I sympathize with your situation. Good luck!

Jim Scott
________________________________
From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of Jon Studer via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 7:43 PM
To: Trombone List <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain

[?EXTERNAL]



I spend most of day job at the computer and use lots of keyboard shortcuts that involve my pinky finger on my left hand. Over the last few weeks, I?ve started developing some pain and minor numbness in my pinky that extends into my hand.

Playing my trombone tonight I realized that the pain is also happening as I hold my horn and use my pinky to hold the slide when not locked.
I?ve noticed that I also tend to use the pinky to hold the weight of my mobile phone while using it for other than phone calls. I?m working to retrain my self on this to reduce stress on it.

I regularly use ErgoBone to hold the weight of my horn, so no pain in my hand, just my pinky at the finger knuckles.

Any suggestions on how I can head this off before it gets worse would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
-Jon

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From daveburch235 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 21:37:38 2023
From: daveburch235 at gmail.com (David Burch)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:37:38 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain
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One thing to check is whether anything in your work or play routines is
putting pressure on the outside of your palm, the area between your pinky
and wrist. Cyclists can suffer numbness in the last two fingers from
pressure from the handlebar to this area, as the nerve controlling those
two fingers runs through there. I had this happen in both hands, and it
took a year or more to fully recover.

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 10:24 PM James L Scott via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> I had some similar issues when I played a Conn 8H from the '50's with no
> slide lock - I would suggest trying to break the habit of using your pinky
> to hold the slide. Try using a trombone stand more often - set the horn
> down on the stand for any longer rests, and rest the bell on your leg with
> the slide being able to touch the floor for shorter rests.
>
> You may have to use the pinky that way for certain occasions (a quick
> addition of a mute comes to mind), but if you find other ways to hold the
> horn and secure the slide for most of the time, that should help a lot.
>
> Hope your hand heals soon - I've recently had some physio to deal with
> some left hand pain, and I sympathize with your situation. Good luck!
>
> Jim Scott
> ________________________________
> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of Jon
> Studer via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 7:43 PM
> To: Trombone List <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain
>
> [?EXTERNAL]
>
>
>
> I spend most of day job at the computer and use lots of keyboard shortcuts
> that involve my pinky finger on my left hand. Over the last few weeks, I?ve
> started developing some pain and minor numbness in my pinky that extends
> into my hand.
>
> Playing my trombone tonight I realized that the pain is also happening as
> I hold my horn and use my pinky to hold the slide when not locked.
> I?ve noticed that I also tend to use the pinky to hold the weight of my
> mobile phone while using it for other than phone calls. I?m working to
> retrain my self on this to reduce stress on it.
>
> I regularly use ErgoBone to hold the weight of my horn, so no pain in my
> hand, just my pinky at the finger knuckles.
>
> Any suggestions on how I can head this off before it gets worse would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -Jon
>
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From drbach6 at aol.com  Thu Mar 30 04:06:15 2023
From: drbach6 at aol.com (LINDA LANDIS)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 05:06:15 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain
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The ulnar nerve runs to the pinky and finger next to it. When a car turned in front of my truck and we tboned her, the air bag got me across the ulnar nerve in both arms. Those fingers went numb for awhile. 

I also got a callous and bent pinky from holding my cell phone. Find another way to hold your phone so you can still use your pinky on your trombone. I had to, but mine was the pinky on my right hand. My pinky is nearly normal again. 

There?s a pain relief great cream I get at my chiropractor?s office for my shoulders and knees. It?s non-toxic and called Traumeel and penetrates deeply and helps the tissues heal. You might give it a try. 

Hope you heal well soon. 

Linda Landis, Lead Trombone Columbus Jazz Orchestra, Columbus Symphony, Private Teacher

> On Mar 27, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Jon Studer via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I spend most of day job at the computer and use lots of keyboard shortcuts that involve my pinky finger on my left hand. Over the last few weeks, I?ve started developing some pain and minor numbness in my pinky that extends into my hand. 
> 
> Playing my trombone tonight I realized that the pain is also happening as I hold my horn and use my pinky to hold the slide when not locked. 
> I?ve noticed that I also tend to use the pinky to hold the weight of my mobile phone while using it for other than phone calls. I?m working to retrain my self on this to reduce stress on it. 
> 
> I regularly use ErgoBone to hold the weight of my horn, so no pain in my hand, just my pinky at the finger knuckles. 
> 
> Any suggestions on how I can head this off before it gets worse would be much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> -Jon
> 
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From tromfoolery at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 16:12:45 2023
From: tromfoolery at gmail.com (Fred Hudson)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:12:45 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Left hand pinky pain
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About six weeks ago I tripped and fell hard on my hands and knees,
apparently harder on my right side. The damage was to my right ACL (
strained ligament ) and the right ligaments which control the fingers of my
"slide" hand. I have found that 'Aspercreme" Is an effective pain reducer
which lasts about 5 or six hours. At least I can still manipulate my slide.
Other than that the only recommendation from my doctor is rest. and light
exercise.

Fred

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 9:43?PM Jon Studer via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> I spend most of day job at the computer and use lots of keyboard shortcuts
> that involve my pinky finger on my left hand. Over the last few weeks, I?ve
> started developing some pain and minor numbness in my pinky that extends
> into my hand.
>
> Playing my trombone tonight I realized that the pain is also happening as
> I hold my horn and use my pinky to hold the slide when not locked.
> I?ve noticed that I also tend to use the pinky to hold the weight of my
> mobile phone while using it for other than phone calls. I?m working to
> retrain my self on this to reduce stress on it.
>
> I regularly use ErgoBone to hold the weight of my horn, so no pain in my
> hand, just my pinky at the finger knuckles.
>
> Any suggestions on how I can head this off before it gets worse would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -Jon
>
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