From erikebme at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 20:59:54 2021
From: erikebme at gmail.com (Erik Berggren)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 20:59:54 -0600
Subject: [Trombone-l] Implants
Message-ID: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Now that I have your attention...??

At the ripe old age of 62, I'm contemplating full frontal upper and lower
dental implants, purely out of vanity.?  Next step will be to ask my
dentist for a recommended installer.?

But before that, am wondering if any of you have direct experience with
them, or know of other players that do.  I'm just wondering if it really
affects one's playing, especially for one such as me that has alway used
WAY too much pressure most of the time.  And, am wondering if you can
really feel implants when playing, or at any other time for that matter.

Anyway,...I'll shut up now and you all can give me some direction.

Thanks
Erik Berggren, AAA
(Always An Amateur)


From jeff at jeffalbert.com  Wed Mar  3 21:37:52 2021
From: jeff at jeffalbert.com (Jeff Albert)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 21:37:52 -0600
Subject: [Trombone-l] Implants
In-Reply-To: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B9987E3-B411-4A2D-8D51-16966CCFC95A@jeffalbert.com>

I have a single implant, but it is in the back. After I healed from the surgery it was fine. I didn?t really notice, BUT that is not what you are doing.

I remember my teacher in college getting implants or a bridge or something and going to the dentist with his mouthpiece trying to get them to be as similar as possible to what he was used to.

Shorter version, I don?t really know, but I had those two close but not close enough stories to offer?

-Jeff

----
Jeff Albert
+1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
http://www.jeffalbert.com


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Erik Berggren via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> 
> Now that I have your attention...??
> 
> At the ripe old age of 62, I'm contemplating full frontal upper and lower
> dental implants, purely out of vanity.?  Next step will be to ask my
> dentist for a recommended installer.?
> 
> But before that, am wondering if any of you have direct experience with
> them, or know of other players that do.  I'm just wondering if it really
> affects one's playing, especially for one such as me that has alway used
> WAY too much pressure most of the time.  And, am wondering if you can
> really feel implants when playing, or at any other time for that matter.
> 
> Anyway,...I'll shut up now and you all can give me some direction.
> 
> Thanks
> Erik Berggren, AAA
> (Always An Amateur)
> _______________________________________________
> Trombone-l mailing list
> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org



From bach9lt at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 06:22:01 2021
From: bach9lt at gmail.com (john bailey)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 07:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Implants
In-Reply-To: <8B9987E3-B411-4A2D-8D51-16966CCFC95A@jeffalbert.com>
References: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B9987E3-B411-4A2D-8D51-16966CCFC95A@jeffalbert.com>
Message-ID: <CAMC5OmET5dRkd-sHgG+DdGbdvG4WdX7wmyJiw+cnzsb+7dR4mQ@mail.gmail.com>

You could experiment.  Maybe get one of those hot water moldable sports
mouth guards.  Walmart has cheap ones.   And cut it down so it can be used
over the front tops or bottoms.  Then mold it to fit.  Then see what a
really bad implant would feel like.  Maybe it'll be okay.  John



On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:38 PM Jeff Albert via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> I have a single implant, but it is in the back. After I healed from the
> surgery it was fine. I didn?t really notice, BUT that is not what you are
> doing.
>
> I remember my teacher in college getting implants or a bridge or something
> and going to the dentist with his mouthpiece trying to get them to be as
> similar as possible to what he was used to.
>
> Shorter version, I don?t really know, but I had those two close but not
> close enough stories to offer?
>
> -Jeff
>
> ----
> Jeff Albert
> +1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
> http://www.jeffalbert.com
>
>
> > On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Erik Berggren via Trombone-l <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> >
> > Now that I have your attention...??
> >
> > At the ripe old age of 62, I'm contemplating full frontal upper and lower
> > dental implants, purely out of vanity.?  Next step will be to ask my
> > dentist for a recommended installer.?
> >
> > But before that, am wondering if any of you have direct experience with
> > them, or know of other players that do.  I'm just wondering if it really
> > affects one's playing, especially for one such as me that has alway used
> > WAY too much pressure most of the time.  And, am wondering if you can
> > really feel implants when playing, or at any other time for that matter.
> >
> > Anyway,...I'll shut up now and you all can give me some direction.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Erik Berggren, AAA
> > (Always An Amateur)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Trombone-l mailing list
> > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
>
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>


From michaelsanders6 at q.com  Thu Mar  4 14:09:06 2021
From: michaelsanders6 at q.com (Michael Sanders)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 15:09:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Trombone-l] Implants
In-Reply-To: <8B9987E3-B411-4A2D-8D51-16966CCFC95A@jeffalbert.com>
References: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B9987E3-B411-4A2D-8D51-16966CCFC95A@jeffalbert.com>
Message-ID: <47267679.134332013.1614888544906.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>

I reckon I will jump in here.  When I was young I had to have four teeth pulled in front because of abscesses. I got busted in the mouth a few times fighting on a golden gloves team.  I reckon that may have had something to do with it.  I had to have a removable bridge and it wasn't easy playing a trombone with that.  Then some years ago when implants became available my dentist installed two implants.  I now have two permanent bridges in front on those two implants.  It gives me a solid front to play against like real teeth.  I am glad  to have them but I would never have teeth removed just to have implants.  Nothing is better than natural teeth for playing a musical instrument.  'nuff said. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
To: "Erik Berggren" <erikebme at gmail.com>
Cc: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 7:37:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Implants

I have a single implant, but it is in the back. After I healed from the surgery it was fine. I didn?t really notice, BUT that is not what you are doing.

I remember my teacher in college getting implants or a bridge or something and going to the dentist with his mouthpiece trying to get them to be as similar as possible to what he was used to.

Shorter version, I don?t really know, but I had those two close but not close enough stories to offer?

-Jeff

----
Jeff Albert
+1 (504) 315-5167 (Signal/SMS/Voice)
http://www.jeffalbert.com


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Erik Berggren via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> 
> Now that I have your attention...??
> 
> At the ripe old age of 62, I'm contemplating full frontal upper and lower
> dental implants, purely out of vanity.?  Next step will be to ask my
> dentist for a recommended installer.?
> 
> But before that, am wondering if any of you have direct experience with
> them, or know of other players that do.  I'm just wondering if it really
> affects one's playing, especially for one such as me that has alway used
> WAY too much pressure most of the time.  And, am wondering if you can
> really feel implants when playing, or at any other time for that matter.
> 
> Anyway,...I'll shut up now and you all can give me some direction.
> 
> Thanks
> Erik Berggren, AAA
> (Always An Amateur)
> _______________________________________________
> Trombone-l mailing list
> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org

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From tromfoolery at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 15:48:24 2021
From: tromfoolery at gmail.com (Fred Hudson)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:48:24 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Implants
In-Reply-To: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKbtsF6ks1rKZKiJheFvvxbGi3HJTCe647DZj6hKdSDHH0s_9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACeExzqLK=Jy7jOK17XEsAQNs75p5hZkTwoUn8UDC+5=1xSs=g@mail.gmail.com>

As a possible alternative to implants, I had what my dentist called
"three-quarter crowns' placed on my top front teeth about 5 years ago. I
had always had some overlap of my eye teeth over the front teeth so that
long playing sessions would sometimes result in tears on the back of my top
lip. The crowns were placed so that that overlap was reduced. I have not
had any problem with feeling unnatural  and am still playing in two
excellent groups at age 87.

Fred Hudson
Asheville Community Band
Blue Ridge Bones

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:01 PM Erik Berggren via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> Now that I have your attention...??
>
> At the ripe old age of 62, I'm contemplating full frontal upper and lower
> dental implants, purely out of vanity.?  Next step will be to ask my
> dentist for a recommended installer.?
>
> But before that, am wondering if any of you have direct experience with
> them, or know of other players that do.  I'm just wondering if it really
> affects one's playing, especially for one such as me that has alway used
> WAY too much pressure most of the time.  And, am wondering if you can
> really feel implants when playing, or at any other time for that matter.
>
> Anyway,...I'll shut up now and you all can give me some direction.
>
> Thanks
> Erik Berggren, AAA
> (Always An Amateur)
> _______________________________________________
> Trombone-l mailing list
> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
>


From erikebme at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 15:33:48 2021
From: erikebme at gmail.com (Erik Berggren)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 15:33:48 -0600
Subject: [Trombone-l] Implants
Message-ID: <CAKbtsF5=eGeu57v0r-yzwwSWG9yoUKHvB8_tnawW5Z67z0KZig@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all for your input.  I have a consult scheduled for April 6, and
will go from there.

Will keep you posted (no pun intended)?

Erik Berggren-AAA
(Always An Amateur)


From pricetaylor at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 14:14:41 2021
From: pricetaylor at gmail.com (Price Taylor)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 12:14:41 -0700
Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombones Inc.
Message-ID: <CAO9DafeOLBs8mRQ7ai6rT=4oEd_BEv-B8rYyrO3V4xHNHWhKpg@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I sourced a trombone for an at the time H.S. junior several years ago.The
seller had a bunch of trombone books and the buyer let me have them all.

One of books I was playing yesterday for fun is Cole Porter's It's All
Right With Me.

Does anyone know if the charts played on Trombone's Inc. were ever
commercially sold?

Thanks all!


From horton.raymond at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 09:37:45 2021
From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Amazing Trombone bumblebee
Message-ID: <637FBF64-130B-49D8-8530-888AF2FBBBD7@gmail.com>

https://youtu.be/kGgUK2s-sqA


Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger 
Minister of Music, 
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016



From earl.kd5xb at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 09:53:21 2021
From: earl.kd5xb at gmail.com (Earl Needham)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:53:21 -0600
Subject: [Trombone-l] Amazing Trombone bumblebee
In-Reply-To: <637FBF64-130B-49D8-8530-888AF2FBBBD7@gmail.com>
References: <637FBF64-130B-49D8-8530-888AF2FBBBD7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANPJuB1_O2R0_Tef9FeKh+jHu1JjooddVGWBypLz2vv3GOnTRw@mail.gmail.com>

CALL THE COPS! IT'S THE HORNET!

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:39 AM Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> https://youtu.be/kGgUK2s-sqA
>
>
> Raymond Horton
> Composer/Arranger
> Minister of Music,
> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist,
> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>
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From basstrb3 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 13:33:42 2021
From: basstrb3 at gmail.com (Philip Brink)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Amazing Trombone bumblebee
In-Reply-To: <CANPJuB1_O2R0_Tef9FeKh+jHu1JjooddVGWBypLz2vv3GOnTRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <637FBF64-130B-49D8-8530-888AF2FBBBD7@gmail.com>
	<CANPJuB1_O2R0_Tef9FeKh+jHu1JjooddVGWBypLz2vv3GOnTRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKyTOnUReXKum7Wyai6-h-xOdEpz6x-Rc+M2-2ohi5tZtGNvWw@mail.gmail.com>

None of your BEESWAX!

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:54 AM Earl Needham via Trombone-l <
trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

> CALL THE COPS! IT'S THE HORNET!
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:39 AM Raymond Horton via Trombone-l <
> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
>
> > https://youtu.be/kGgUK2s-sqA
> >
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer/Arranger
> > Minister of Music,
> > Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist,
> > Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Trombone-l mailing list
> > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org
> > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org
> >
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>


-- 
Philip Brink
Instructor of Trombone, retired
College of Music, Mahidol University
Low Brass principal, Thailand Philharmonic, retired


From jim at jimnova.com  Mon Mar 22 21:32:22 2021
From: jim at jimnova.com (Jim Nova)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:32:22 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] 11 challenging 2nd trombone orchestral excerpts
Message-ID: <93CDAA81-5249-4E62-88FC-8051BF21FA41@jimnova.com>

11 challenging 2nd trombone orchestral excerpts

I want to dispel this common misconception that if you play 2nd trombone in an orchestra, you don?t need strong high or low chops and that somehow, playing 2nd, is not that demanding. Think again!

In addition to having a keen radar for blend, balance and intonation, you need to be able to effectively bridge the sound of the section between the bass and principal trombones. In other words, you have to be able to do it all! Otherwise, you?re just hiding behind your colleagues.

In this video, I have collected and recorded 11 challenging 2nd and 3rd trombone orchestral excerpts. I?ve played all of these on auditions, in concert, or both.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS HOW I PLAY THESE EXCERPTS! There are many opinions about how to play little snippets from these masterpieces. This is my take.

I encourage you to visit and sign up for the schoolofbrass.com if you want to see my educational video on how I developed and maintain the techniques that I use to play second trombone in a major symphony orchestra.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/ZSL6wghp5VQ


James Nova
Trombone - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
Brass Coordinator and Adjunct Trombone Faculty - Duquesne University
Brass Coach - Three Rivers Young Peoples Orchestras
jimnova.com

From michaelsanders6 at q.com  Tue Mar 23 06:03:15 2021
From: michaelsanders6 at q.com (Michael Sanders)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Trombone-l] 11 challenging 2nd trombone orchestral excerpts
In-Reply-To: <93CDAA81-5249-4E62-88FC-8051BF21FA41@jimnova.com>
References: <93CDAA81-5249-4E62-88FC-8051BF21FA41@jimnova.com>
Message-ID: <646565682.151139280.1616497395298.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>

Second and third parts are essential parts of the music in all orchestras and symphonic bands.  I went 47 years without playing until the opportunity presented itself here in Utah.  I found that playing third was too difficult for me and have been playing second trombone since then.  I remember in high school everyone wanted to play the first part and there was a lot of jealousy so I switched instruments and played baritone my last year.  I find nothing wrong with playing the second part.  It is challenging and I enjoy it. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
To: "trombone-l" <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 8:32:22 PM
Subject: [Trombone-l] 11 challenging 2nd trombone orchestral excerpts

11 challenging 2nd trombone orchestral excerpts

I want to dispel this common misconception that if you play 2nd trombone in an orchestra, you don?t need strong high or low chops and that somehow, playing 2nd, is not that demanding. Think again!

In addition to having a keen radar for blend, balance and intonation, you need to be able to effectively bridge the sound of the section between the bass and principal trombones. In other words, you have to be able to do it all! Otherwise, you?re just hiding behind your colleagues.

In this video, I have collected and recorded 11 challenging 2nd and 3rd trombone orchestral excerpts. I?ve played all of these on auditions, in concert, or both.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS HOW I PLAY THESE EXCERPTS! There are many opinions about how to play little snippets from these masterpieces. This is my take.

I encourage you to visit and sign up for the schoolofbrass.com if you want to see my educational video on how I developed and maintain the techniques that I use to play second trombone in a major symphony orchestra.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/ZSL6wghp5VQ


James Nova
Trombone - Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
Brass Coordinator and Adjunct Trombone Faculty - Duquesne University
Brass Coach - Three Rivers Young Peoples Orchestras
jimnova.com
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From gil.estes at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 14:08:52 2021
From: gil.estes at gmail.com (Gil Estes)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:08:52 -0400
Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption
Message-ID: <E8D4DBF1-CEF9-4360-AA3C-E7621D6F8349@gmail.com>

Quick question to the group?especially those with smaller practice spaces. Mine is 9?x11?, 8? ceiling, Pergo floor and one area ?throw? rug.

When I play, it?s loud?like reflection loud. Looking to put some sound treatments on the walls. I?ve seen these foam squares (12x12x1-1/2) for like $30 for a 12 pack. Price is great, but seems like if you get what you pay for, will these actually be any good. I?m thinking maybe 24 - 36 squares as well as corner bass traps.

My question to the group: What kind of quality are these inexpensive ones on Amazon and can anyone direct me to what they?ve used that is effective.

Not looking to make a recording studio (though I do a fair amount of recording), mostly looking to quiet the room so I can actually ?hear? what my sound is doing. If it traps some sound from getting out so my wife (a composer) can be less interrupted, so much the better.

Thanks in advance?

Gil  Estes
Atlanta, GA
Atlanta Trombone Ensemble - Director


From swgamble at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 28 14:44:31 2021
From: swgamble at hotmail.com (Steven Gamble)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:44:31 +0000
Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption
In-Reply-To: <E8D4DBF1-CEF9-4360-AA3C-E7621D6F8349@gmail.com>
References: <E8D4DBF1-CEF9-4360-AA3C-E7621D6F8349@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR17MB3229D318AD8CCADD3823B47ECB7F9@MN2PR17MB3229.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Gil,

I have a little experience with this. The trick is to use as little acoustical treatment as possible.  Is there room for a stuffed chair or couch in your space? Sometimes that is all you need to break up the reflections.  Different placements will give you different results.   There are 3 pairs of opposing surfaces, start by dampening one surface of each pair with a minimum of squares.  Try a few different placements.  You'll be surprised at how much effect a little change can have.   Crossing the line from an even, resonant sound to dull and muffled comes kind of suddenly.  Remove that last square, and fine tune by experimenting with the placement of the remaining squares.  Sometimes dampening the corners is a good place to start.

Steve Gamble, 6680 E Calle La Paz, Unit D, Tucson, AZ 85715  520-991-7056 swgamble at hotmail.com

________________________________
From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of Gil Estes via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:08 PM
To: List Trombone <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption

Quick question to the group?especially those with smaller practice spaces. Mine is 9?x11?, 8? ceiling, Pergo floor and one area ?throw? rug.

When I play, it?s loud?like reflection loud. Looking to put some sound treatments on the walls. I?ve seen these foam squares (12x12x1-1/2) for like $30 for a 12 pack. Price is great, but seems like if you get what you pay for, will these actually be any good. I?m thinking maybe 24 - 36 squares as well as corner bass traps.

My question to the group: What kind of quality are these inexpensive ones on Amazon and can anyone direct me to what they?ve used that is effective.

Not looking to make a recording studio (though I do a fair amount of recording), mostly looking to quiet the room so I can actually ?hear? what my sound is doing. If it traps some sound from getting out so my wife (a composer) can be less interrupted, so much the better.

Thanks in advance?

Gil  Estes
Atlanta, GA
Atlanta Trombone Ensemble - Director
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From jeff at jeffalbert.com  Sun Mar 28 16:15:14 2021
From: jeff at jeffalbert.com (Jeff Albert)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:15:14 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR17MB3229D318AD8CCADD3823B47ECB7F9@MN2PR17MB3229.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR17MB3229D318AD8CCADD3823B47ECB7F9@MN2PR17MB3229.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4A0CA733-5F31-46A3-B406-14F83A4213F7@jeffalbert.com>

Steve stated it well. I like this video for helping to understand how different treatments effect sound. 

https://youtu.be/JPYt10zrclQ

Jeff Albert
+1 504 315 5167


Sent from a mobile device. Apologies for typos and brevity. 

> On Mar 28, 2021, at 14:46, Steven Gamble via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Gil,
> 
> I have a little experience with this. The trick is to use as little acoustical treatment as possible.  Is there room for a stuffed chair or couch in your space? Sometimes that is all you need to break up the reflections.  Different placements will give you different results.   There are 3 pairs of opposing surfaces, start by dampening one surface of each pair with a minimum of squares.  Try a few different placements.  You'll be surprised at how much effect a little change can have.   Crossing the line from an even, resonant sound to dull and muffled comes kind of suddenly.  Remove that last square, and fine tune by experimenting with the placement of the remaining squares.  Sometimes dampening the corners is a good place to start.
> 
> Steve Gamble, 6680 E Calle La Paz, Unit D, Tucson, AZ 85715  520-991-7056 swgamble at hotmail.com
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of Gil Estes via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:08 PM
> To: List Trombone <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
> Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption
> 
> Quick question to the group?especially those with smaller practice spaces. Mine is 9?x11?, 8? ceiling, Pergo floor and one area ?throw? rug.
> 
> When I play, it?s loud?like reflection loud. Looking to put some sound treatments on the walls. I?ve seen these foam squares (12x12x1-1/2) for like $30 for a 12 pack. Price is great, but seems like if you get what you pay for, will these actually be any good. I?m thinking maybe 24 - 36 squares as well as corner bass traps.
> 
> My question to the group: What kind of quality are these inexpensive ones on Amazon and can anyone direct me to what they?ve used that is effective.
> 
> Not looking to make a recording studio (though I do a fair amount of recording), mostly looking to quiet the room so I can actually ?hear? what my sound is doing. If it traps some sound from getting out so my wife (a composer) can be less interrupted, so much the better.
> 
> Thanks in advance?
> 
> Gil  Estes
> Atlanta, GA
> Atlanta Trombone Ensemble - Director
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From andy.fugate at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 21:15:25 2021
From: andy.fugate at gmail.com (Andy Fugate)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:15:25 -0500
Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption
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Thank you for sharing the video. It's excellent.

Andy Fugate

?On 3/28/21, 4:16 PM, "Trombone-l on behalf of Jeff Albert via Trombone-l" <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org on behalf of trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:

    Steve stated it well. I like this video for helping to understand how different treatments effect sound. 

    https://youtu.be/JPYt10zrclQ

    Jeff Albert
    +1 504 315 5167


    Sent from a mobile device. Apologies for typos and brevity. 

    > On Mar 28, 2021, at 14:46, Steven Gamble via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote:
    > 
    > ?Hi Gil,
    > 
    > I have a little experience with this. The trick is to use as little acoustical treatment as possible.  Is there room for a stuffed chair or couch in your space? Sometimes that is all you need to break up the reflections.  Different placements will give you different results.   There are 3 pairs of opposing surfaces, start by dampening one surface of each pair with a minimum of squares.  Try a few different placements.  You'll be surprised at how much effect a little change can have.   Crossing the line from an even, resonant sound to dull and muffled comes kind of suddenly.  Remove that last square, and fine tune by experimenting with the placement of the remaining squares.  Sometimes dampening the corners is a good place to start.
    > 
    > Steve Gamble, 6680 E Calle La Paz, Unit D, Tucson, AZ 85715  520-991-7056 swgamble at hotmail.com
    > 
    > ________________________________
    > From: Trombone-l <trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org> on behalf of Gil Estes via Trombone-l <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
    > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:08 PM
    > To: List Trombone <trombone-l at trombonelist.org>
    > Subject: [Trombone-l] Small Room Sound Absorption
    > 
    > Quick question to the group?especially those with smaller practice spaces. Mine is 9?x11?, 8? ceiling, Pergo floor and one area ?throw? rug.
    > 
    > When I play, it?s loud?like reflection loud. Looking to put some sound treatments on the walls. I?ve seen these foam squares (12x12x1-1/2) for like $30 for a 12 pack. Price is great, but seems like if you get what you pay for, will these actually be any good. I?m thinking maybe 24 - 36 squares as well as corner bass traps.
    > 
    > My question to the group: What kind of quality are these inexpensive ones on Amazon and can anyone direct me to what they?ve used that is effective.
    > 
    > Not looking to make a recording studio (though I do a fair amount of recording), mostly looking to quiet the room so I can actually ?hear? what my sound is doing. If it traps some sound from getting out so my wife (a composer) can be less interrupted, so much the better.
    > 
    > Thanks in advance?
    > 
    > Gil  Estes
    > Atlanta, GA
    > Atlanta Trombone Ensemble - Director
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