From chris.waage at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 11:27:05 2020 From: chris.waage at gmail.com (Chris Waage) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:27:05 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] FS: Greenhoe Thumb Rest Message-ID: Greenhoe thumb rest for sale, $60 including postage in the US. Email for pics. Happy New Year! Sent from my iPad From chris.waage at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 13:24:31 2020 From: chris.waage at gmail.com (Chris Waage) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 13:24:31 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Fwd: FS: Greenhoe Thumb Rest References: Message-ID: > It has been sold. From michaelsanders6 at q.com Thu Jan 23 17:43:22 2020 From: michaelsanders6 at q.com (Michael Sanders) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:43:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Trombone-l] Your views Message-ID: <415282937.38327904.1579823002714.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Since most of you are professionals and have a lot of experience with different instruments and grades of instruments I wanted to ask if any of you have had experience with The Gerhard Baier brand of Trombone? About a year and a half ago I happened onto an almost new Gerhard Baier Bolero, large bore trombone at the local thrift store. I got it for $155.00 and it was in almost perfect condition. The workmanship on it is perfect and the slide is flawless. How would you rate it? I guess it can't be called a professional grade instrument but I believe it is better than a student grade horn. I have been playing it regularly ever since I got it and I like it. I just thought I would put this out to get your comments and views. Thanks guys From philbonium at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 17:53:00 2020 From: philbonium at gmail.com (Phil Burton) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your views In-Reply-To: <415282937.38327904.1579823002714.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> References: <415282937.38327904.1579823002714.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: Sounds to me like you scored...big time... On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:44 PM Michael Sanders via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Since most of you are professionals and have a lot of experience with > different instruments and grades of instruments I wanted to ask if any of > you have had experience with The Gerhard Baier brand of Trombone? About a > year and a half ago I happened onto an almost new Gerhard Baier Bolero, > large bore trombone at the local thrift store. I got it for $155.00 and it > was in almost perfect condition. The workmanship on it is perfect and the > slide is flawless. How would you rate it? I guess it can't be called a > professional grade instrument but I believe it is better than a student > grade horn. I have been playing it regularly ever since I got it and I like > it. I just thought I would put this out to get your comments and views. > Thanks guys > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From tromfoolery at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 22:39:43 2020 From: tromfoolery at gmail.com (Fred Hudson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 23:39:43 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your views In-Reply-To: References: <415282937.38327904.1579823002714.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: Gerhard Baier has a very small notation on the Trombone Page of the World and has apparently been in business for over a hundred years in Germany. Here is a link. http://www.trombone-usa.com/manufacturers.htm#baier Several Google Hits give high praise to the instuments.. Phil was right!!! Fred Hudson Asheville Community Band Blue Ridge Bones On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:54 PM Phil Burton via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Sounds to me like you scored...big time... > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:44 PM Michael Sanders via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > Since most of you are professionals and have a lot of experience with > > different instruments and grades of instruments I wanted to ask if any of > > you have had experience with The Gerhard Baier brand of Trombone? About a > > year and a half ago I happened onto an almost new Gerhard Baier Bolero, > > large bore trombone at the local thrift store. I got it for $155.00 and > it > > was in almost perfect condition. The workmanship on it is perfect and the > > slide is flawless. How would you rate it? I guess it can't be called a > > professional grade instrument but I believe it is better than a student > > grade horn. I have been playing it regularly ever since I got it and I > like > > it. I just thought I would put this out to get your comments and views. > > Thanks guys > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From drbach6 at aol.com Fri Jan 24 12:25:17 2020 From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda Landis) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your views In-Reply-To: References: <415282937.38327904.1579823002714.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <4C3E2BF4-6729-4A34-985A-DC1730177010@aol.com> If it plays great, you scored well! Linda Landis, Lead Trombone Columbus Jazz Orchestra, Columbus Symphony, Private Teacher > On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Fred Hudson via Trombone-l wrote: > > Gerhard Baier has a very small notation on the Trombone Page of the World > and has apparently been in business for over a hundred years > in Germany. Here is a link. > http://www.trombone-usa.com/manufacturers.htm#baier > > Several Google Hits give high praise to the instuments.. > > Phil was right!!! > > Fred Hudson > Asheville Community Band > Blue Ridge Bones > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:54 PM Phil Burton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> Sounds to me like you scored...big time... >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:44 PM Michael Sanders via Trombone-l < >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: >> >>> Since most of you are professionals and have a lot of experience with >>> different instruments and grades of instruments I wanted to ask if any of >>> you have had experience with The Gerhard Baier brand of Trombone? About a >>> year and a half ago I happened onto an almost new Gerhard Baier Bolero, >>> large bore trombone at the local thrift store. I got it for $155.00 and >> it >>> was in almost perfect condition. The workmanship on it is perfect and the >>> slide is flawless. How would you rate it? I guess it can't be called a >>> professional grade instrument but I believe it is better than a student >>> grade horn. I have been playing it regularly ever since I got it and I >> like >>> it. I just thought I would put this out to get your comments and views. >>> Thanks guys >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From drbach6 at aol.com Fri Jan 24 12:25:17 2020 From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda Landis) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your views In-Reply-To: References: <415282937.38327904.1579823002714.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <4C3E2BF4-6729-4A34-985A-DC1730177010@aol.com> If it plays great, you scored well! Linda Landis, Lead Trombone Columbus Jazz Orchestra, Columbus Symphony, Private Teacher > On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Fred Hudson via Trombone-l wrote: > > Gerhard Baier has a very small notation on the Trombone Page of the World > and has apparently been in business for over a hundred years > in Germany. Here is a link. > http://www.trombone-usa.com/manufacturers.htm#baier > > Several Google Hits give high praise to the instuments.. > > Phil was right!!! > > Fred Hudson > Asheville Community Band > Blue Ridge Bones > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 6:54 PM Phil Burton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> Sounds to me like you scored...big time... >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:44 PM Michael Sanders via Trombone-l < >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: >> >>> Since most of you are professionals and have a lot of experience with >>> different instruments and grades of instruments I wanted to ask if any of >>> you have had experience with The Gerhard Baier brand of Trombone? About a >>> year and a half ago I happened onto an almost new Gerhard Baier Bolero, >>> large bore trombone at the local thrift store. I got it for $155.00 and >> it >>> was in almost perfect condition. The workmanship on it is perfect and the >>> slide is flawless. How would you rate it? I guess it can't be called a >>> professional grade instrument but I believe it is better than a student >>> grade horn. I have been playing it regularly ever since I got it and I >> like >>> it. I just thought I would put this out to get your comments and views. >>> Thanks guys >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From craig at parmerlee.com Sat Jan 25 07:59:50 2020 From: craig at parmerlee.com (Craig Parmerlee) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 08:59:50 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Fair market value for small bore Shires Message-ID: I need to provide an appraisal of fair market value for a Shires trombone.? There are lots of comparables for the 547? horns with valves, but I haven't found much for the small bore horns. The slide is a dual bore 485/495, lightweight in yellow brass with the normal nickel silver end crook.? I'm concerned that such a small bore instrument might be a very narrow market.? The condition is very good.? It is 12 years old and not played very much.? There are virtually no dents -- just one very light mute ding in the bell.? The only real cosmetic issues are numerous spots where the lacquer has come off.? That is completely inconsistent with the amount this horn has been played.? The lacquer is gone in the normal hand grip areas.? Moreover, there are big patches on the slide where lacquer is also gone.? It looks like a poor job of de-greasing to me.? The slide was about a 7 or 8 when I got it.? There is a lot of tarnish inside the outer slide.? I have been cleaning that up and I expect it will end up very near a 10.? I don't think there are any alignment or dent issues with the slide. It plays well.? With the right mouthpiece it plays bigger than I would have expected for such a small bore.? The owner switched out the yellow brass tuning slide in favor of a red brass tuning slide in order to make it less harsh.? Intonation, sound core, slotting are all good.? I doubt this would hold up well as a lead horn because it still gets harsh at loud volumes.? As a solo instrument (especially playing with a microphone), it should be superb. This predates the Eastman era, so this would have been made in the Shires plant under Steve Shires' supervision. Original cost was around $3000.? I'm guessing a safe estimate is $1500 -- that is, if it were to go on eBay, they would probably net $1500 after eBay fees and shipping.? But maybe it would be higher.? I want to give them realistic expectations because the organization will be budgeting, assuming revenue from selling this horn. Any thoughts or opinions are welcome. Thanks, Craig Parmerlee Indianapolis