From ralphjr at thewhitfields.com Thu Feb 6 14:27:08 2020 From: ralphjr at thewhitfields.com (ralphjr at thewhitfields.com) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:27:08 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] "This Masquerade" for bones and rhythm Message-ID: List wisdom... Back in college in the late 70's I along with the rest of the bone section of my college jazz band played an arrangement of "This Masquerade" for bones and rhythm. I seem to remember it being 5 bones and rhythm but it could be otherwise. Can anyone help me put a name to the arranger or even get a copy of that chart? Thanks, Ralph Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. Bass Trombone, Gadsden Symphony Orchestra, Founder of "Grand Avenue Brass" "Trombonist by nature, engineer by necessity." From john at johnwasson.com Fri Feb 7 12:34:14 2020 From: john at johnwasson.com (John Wasson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:34:14 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F96D170-099A-489F-8B0E-73A99127B0EB@johnwasson.com> That is very likely Dick McQuarry?s arrangement. He did a dozen or two really fine arrangements for 6 trombones (incl. 2 basses) and rhythm section. We have played nearly all of them for years in Them Bones here in Dallas. They are all available out on the web as a download; I found them via a google search, but can?t remember where. :-) Should be easy for you to search out, though. Hope this helps, JOHN WASSON composer - producer www.johnwasson.com 214.733.1912 > On Feb 7, 2020, at 12:00 PM, trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:27:08 -0500 > From: ralphjr at thewhitfields.com > To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org > Subject: [Trombone-l] "This Masquerade" for bones and rhythm > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > List wisdom... > > Back in college in the late 70's I along with the rest of the bone > section of my college jazz band played an arrangement of "This > Masquerade" for bones and rhythm. I seem to remember it being 5 bones > and rhythm but it could be otherwise. > > Can anyone help me put a name to the arranger or even get a copy of that > chart? > > Thanks, > > Ralph > > Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. > > Bass Trombone, Gadsden Symphony Orchestra, > > Founder of "Grand Avenue Brass" > > "Trombonist by nature, engineer by necessity." > > From eric at proinstrumentrepair.com Fri Feb 7 13:51:41 2020 From: eric at proinstrumentrepair.com (Eric Edwards) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 13:51:41 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <9F96D170-099A-489F-8B0E-73A99127B0EB@johnwasson.com> References: <9F96D170-099A-489F-8B0E-73A99127B0EB@johnwasson.com> Message-ID: <3e7770ce-53c6-ab35-432c-43381f68910e@proinstrumentrepair.com> Thanks for the heads up John! Dug around & found this site: https://www.curtmillermusic.com/product/basic-tip/ Eric Eric Edwards Professional Instrument Repair 972.795.5784 "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried yet." "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud." -Sophocles On 2/7/2020 12:34 PM, John Wasson via Trombone-l wrote: > That is very likely Dick McQuarry?s arrangement. He did a dozen or two really fine arrangements for 6 trombones (incl. 2 basses) and rhythm section. We have played nearly all of them for years in Them Bones here in Dallas. > > They are all available out on the web as a download; I found them via a google search, but can?t remember where. :-) Should be easy for you to search out, though. > > Hope this helps, > > JOHN WASSON > composer - producer > www.johnwasson.com > 214.733.1912 > >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 12:00 PM, trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org wrote: >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:27:08 -0500 >> From: ralphjr at thewhitfields.com >> To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> Subject: [Trombone-l] "This Masquerade" for bones and rhythm >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> List wisdom... >> >> Back in college in the late 70's I along with the rest of the bone >> section of my college jazz band played an arrangement of "This >> Masquerade" for bones and rhythm. I seem to remember it being 5 bones >> and rhythm but it could be otherwise. >> >> Can anyone help me put a name to the arranger or even get a copy of that >> chart? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ralph >> >> Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. >> >> Bass Trombone, Gadsden Symphony Orchestra, >> >> Founder of "Grand Avenue Brass" >> >> "Trombonist by nature, engineer by necessity." >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From jenoxon at icloud.com Fri Feb 7 20:02:12 2020 From: jenoxon at icloud.com (John Noxon) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 18:02:12 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music Message-ID: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would like to share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy Pederson Chart and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area and I did Find a whole lot of stuff! What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it up for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download this from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end when I pull it out of my Dropbox! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 Enjoy!! John From jmdanner at samford.edu Fri Feb 7 20:39:58 2020 From: jmdanner at samford.edu (Danner, Mearl) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 02:39:58 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Copyrighted material Message-ID: Briefly checked the material to download in a recent post and most is under copyright. Though not in the trombone-l rules I would ask list members not to post links to copyrighted material. While the posting is probably not illegal, the copying (scanning) of copyrighted material is. Having two siblings that are ASCAP members I can attest to the fact that most composers would be hard-pressed to recoup their investment in education and training from sales of their compositions. Please honor the effort and genius of composers by paying for their compositions. Thanks, Mearl Trombone-l list owner From jenoxon at icloud.com Fri Feb 7 21:07:39 2020 From: jenoxon at icloud.com (John Noxon) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 19:07:39 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Copyrighted material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am aware of that issue. The title to these tune is so clouded no one knows who really does own the rites. 3of the copyright owner are deceased. Tommy?s family has no one left that cares or even knew Tommy personally. Mike Suter and I tried to do this about 20 years ago. And we understood the situation. Everything except the books came from a back door to Hoyt?s Garage. I was invited to play there when I was in the Army. A couple of those friendships are still active. I understand your point most of this except the 3 books for tenor & the bass bone books are maybe still published. None of the items are/were ever copyrightej > On Feb 7, 2020, at 18:40, Danner, Mearl via Trombone-l wrote: > > ? > Briefly checked the material to download in a recent post and most is under copyright. > > Though not in the trombone-l rules I would ask list members not to post links to copyrighted material. While the posting is probably not illegal, the copying (scanning) of copyrighted material is. > > Having two siblings that are ASCAP members I can attest to the fact that most composers would be hard-pressed to recoup their investment in education and training from sales of their compositions. > > Please honor the effort and genius of composers by paying for their compositions. > > Thanks, > > Mearl > > Trombone-l list owner > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From ralphjr at thewhitfields.com Fri Feb 7 22:15:17 2020 From: ralphjr at thewhitfields.com (ralphjr at thewhitfields.com) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:15:17 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music In-Reply-To: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> References: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1e25779fd77f1517a71d9f54ba738f88@thewhitfields.com> John, Thanks so very much! Ralph Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. Bass Trombone, Gadsden Symphony Orchestra, Founder of "Grand Avenue Brass" "Trombonist by nature, engineer by necessity." On 2020-02-07 16:02, John Noxon wrote: > All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would > like to share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy > Pederson Chart and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area > and I did Find a whole lot of stuff! > > What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it > up for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download > this from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end > when I pull it out of my Dropbox! > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 > > Enjoy!! > John From drbach6 at aol.com Sat Feb 8 02:25:38 2020 From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda Landis) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 03:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music In-Reply-To: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> References: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: Thank you! Linda Landis, Lead Trombone Columbus Jazz Orchestra, Columbus Symphony, Private Teacher > On Feb 7, 2020, at 9:02 PM, John Noxon via Trombone-l wrote: > > All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would like to share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy Pederson Chart and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area and I did Find a whole lot of stuff! > > What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it up for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download this from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end when I pull it out of my Dropbox! > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 > > Enjoy!! > John > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From drbach6 at aol.com Sat Feb 8 02:25:38 2020 From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda Landis) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 03:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music In-Reply-To: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> References: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: Thank you! Linda Landis, Lead Trombone Columbus Jazz Orchestra, Columbus Symphony, Private Teacher > On Feb 7, 2020, at 9:02 PM, John Noxon via Trombone-l wrote: > > All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would like to share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy Pederson Chart and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area and I did Find a whole lot of stuff! > > What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it up for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download this from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end when I pull it out of my Dropbox! > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 > > Enjoy!! > John > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From art at awtriggs.com Sat Feb 8 07:41:00 2020 From: art at awtriggs.com (Art Triggs) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:41:00 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music In-Reply-To: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> References: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much for sharing this! Art Triggs 914-819-8432 art at awtriggs.com www.awtriggs.com On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 9:03 PM John Noxon via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would like to > share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy Pederson Chart > and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area and I did Find a > whole lot of stuff! > > What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it up > for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download this > from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end when I pull > it out of my Dropbox! > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 > > > > Enjoy!! > John > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From gary.sloane at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 8 07:58:35 2020 From: gary.sloane at sbcglobal.net (Gary Sloane) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 13:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music In-Reply-To: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> References: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1553595043.112619.1581170315586@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, John, for posting this. Thanks also to Chris Amemiya. Gary On Friday, February 7, 2020, 6:03:11 PM PST, John Noxon via Trombone-l wrote: All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would like to share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy Pederson Chart and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area and I did Find a whole lot of stuff! What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it up for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download this from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end when I pull it out of my Dropbox! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 Enjoy!! John _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From m at plunge.com Sat Feb 8 08:35:03 2020 From: m at plunge.com (markmcgrain) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:35:03 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson Music In-Reply-To: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> References: <6730F73E-69E8-4168-A411-36CCDF07F8CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9ABF83A7-439C-4E28-9CF3-410F9C21A29C@plunge.com> Thank you John! Such valuable teaching material. ?Exhibit your passion.??Max Roach ?Love, Time, and Divination? - featuring Mark McGrain with Matt Lemmler, James Singleton, and JohnBoutt?. http://www.markmcgrain.com/music Video: On The Turning Away w/ John Boutt? https://youtu.be/pW9rXTqVu5g www.markmcgrain.com/music booking at markmcgrain.com www.plunge.com www.immersionrecords.com > On Feb 7, 2020, at 8:06 PM, John Noxon via Trombone-l wrote: > > ?All you trombone Guys and Gals out there this is something I would like to share. A could years ago I went looking for a certain Tommy Pederson Chart and would into longer publish. I dug around the LA area and I did Find a whole lot of stuff! > > What I have in this post is about 1/2 of what I have. I will leave it up for one week ro give everyone a chance to get this. Please download this from your Dropbox if you don?t it will disappear from your end when I pull it out of my Dropbox! > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z71grmy6f2y12rj/AABuyinVUc6u6zN8RyACRbNQa?dl=0 > > Enjoy!! > John > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From jenoxon at icloud.com Sat Feb 8 12:15:07 2020 From: jenoxon at icloud.com (John Noxon) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:15:07 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Pederson Message-ID: <66B55AE4-5DCF-4866-AAC5-EDA491F7A21C@icloud.com> I should have mentioned a little about were all this came from. I had access to the music so I did the scanning part. Howard Spindel in the Portland Oregon area did the cleanup and organzation of the parts. We left inportant this like the names of who played the parts. The first file I opened had Dick Nash in the super left corner. I called Dick and told him about iy and he that was a whole ?other Dick Nash! I forgot to let everyone know that Howard Spindel was part of this. It was done around 2015, j From horton.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 14:02:42 2020 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Pederson In-Reply-To: <66B55AE4-5DCF-4866-AAC5-EDA491F7A21C@icloud.com> References: <66B55AE4-5DCF-4866-AAC5-EDA491F7A21C@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5EECC66F-E155-4475-A394-9BBB9E40A38D@gmail.com> In my ever so humble, and ever so NOT legal, opinion, once a publisher lets music go out of print, it is fair game. this is a spirit of the law, not letter of the law, opinion, and I?m sure many of you will disagree with it! Raymond Horton Composer/Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 > On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:16 PM, John Noxon via Trombone-l wrote: > > ?I should have mentioned a little about were all this came from. I had access to the music so I did the scanning part. Howard Spindel in the Portland Oregon area did the cleanup and organzation of the parts. We left inportant this like the names of who played the parts. The first file I opened had Dick Nash in the super left corner. I called Dick and told him about iy and he that was a whole ?other Dick Nash! > > I forgot to let everyone know that Howard Spindel was part of this. It was done around 2015, > > j > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From chris.waage at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 14:45:07 2020 From: chris.waage at gmail.com (Chris Waage) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 14:45:07 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Pederson In-Reply-To: <66B55AE4-5DCF-4866-AAC5-EDA491F7A21C@icloud.com> References: <66B55AE4-5DCF-4866-AAC5-EDA491F7A21C@icloud.com> Message-ID: I know that some of the duets, etudes, and Ensembles were published by Kendor but most are permanently out of print. (Managed a sheer music store during grad school). While I truly appreciate honoring copyright, when no one wants to republish and the copyright holder is deceased, it seems like no harm no foul, though that definitely is NOT the legal approach. Laws don?t have to make sense, they?re just laws. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:16 PM, John Noxon via Trombone-l wrote: > > ?I should have mentioned a little about were all this came from. I had access to the music so I did the scanning part. Howard Spindel in the Portland Oregon area did the cleanup and organzation of the parts. We left inportant this like the names of who played the parts. The first file I opened had Dick Nash in the super left corner. I called Dick and told him about iy and he that was a whole ?other Dick Nash! > > I forgot to let everyone know that Howard Spindel was part of this. It was done around 2015, > > j > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From bach9lt at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 19:31:22 2020 From: bach9lt at gmail.com (john bailey) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 17:31:22 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Pederson In-Reply-To: References: <66B55AE4-5DCF-4866-AAC5-EDA491F7A21C@icloud.com> Message-ID: The great problem with our hugely long copyright terms is that unprofitable works which in previous times would have become cultural pieces in the commons become instead a nest of fenced-in back yards where no kid can play. Companies hoard them in the off-chance something can be reworked for profit, meanwhile the bulk of it just withers and dies. John On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:46 PM Chris Waage via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > I know that some of the duets, etudes, and Ensembles were published by > Kendor but most are permanently out of print. (Managed a sheer music store > during grad school). > > While I truly appreciate honoring copyright, when no one wants to > republish and the copyright holder is deceased, it seems like no harm no > foul, though that definitely is NOT the legal approach. > > Laws don?t have to make sense, they?re just laws. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:16 PM, John Noxon via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > ?I should have mentioned a little about were all this came from. I had > access to the music so I did the scanning part. Howard Spindel in the > Portland Oregon area did the cleanup and organzation of the parts. We left > inportant this like the names of who played the parts. The first file I > opened had Dick Nash in the super left corner. I called Dick and told him > about iy and he that was a whole ?other Dick Nash! > > > > I forgot to let everyone know that Howard Spindel was part of this. It > was done around 2015, > > > > j > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From horton.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 20:46:12 2020 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 21:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <3e7770ce-53c6-ab35-432c-43381f68910e@proinstrumentrepair.com> References: <9F96D170-099A-489F-8B0E-73A99127B0EB@johnwasson.com> <3e7770ce-53c6-ab35-432c-43381f68910e@proinstrumentrepair.com> Message-ID: Thanks! Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:52 PM Eric Edwards via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Thanks for the heads up John! > > Dug around & found this site: > > https://www.curtmillermusic.com/product/basic-tip/ > > > Eric > > > Eric Edwards > Professional Instrument Repair > 972.795.5784 > > > > "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low > price has faded" > "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he > speaks" > "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried > yet." > "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud." -Sophocles > > On 2/7/2020 12:34 PM, John Wasson via Trombone-l wrote: > > That is very likely Dick McQuarry?s arrangement. He did a dozen or two > really fine arrangements for 6 trombones (incl. 2 basses) and rhythm > section. We have played nearly all of them for years in Them Bones here in > Dallas. > > > > They are all available out on the web as a download; I found them via a > google search, but can?t remember where. :-) Should be easy for you to > search out, though. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > JOHN WASSON > > composer - producer > > www.johnwasson.com > > 214.733.1912 > > > >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 12:00 PM, trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org wrote: > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:27:08 -0500 > >> From: ralphjr at thewhitfields.com > >> To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> Subject: [Trombone-l] "This Masquerade" for bones and rhythm > >> Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >> > >> List wisdom... > >> > >> Back in college in the late 70's I along with the rest of the bone > >> section of my college jazz band played an arrangement of "This > >> Masquerade" for bones and rhythm. I seem to remember it being 5 bones > >> and rhythm but it could be otherwise. > >> > >> Can anyone help me put a name to the arranger or even get a copy of that > >> chart? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ralph > >> > >> Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. > >> > >> Bass Trombone, Gadsden Symphony Orchestra, > >> > >> Founder of "Grand Avenue Brass" > >> > >> "Trombonist by nature, engineer by necessity." > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From kermatbone at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 06:03:54 2020 From: kermatbone at gmail.com (Curtis Volgamore) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:03:54 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: <9F96D170-099A-489F-8B0E-73A99127B0EB@johnwasson.com> <3e7770ce-53c6-ab35-432c-43381f68910e@proinstrumentrepair.com> Message-ID: Thanks! On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:47 PM Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Thanks! > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:52 PM Eric Edwards via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the heads up John! > > > > Dug around & found this site: > > > > https://www.curtmillermusic.com/product/basic-tip/ > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > Eric Edwards > > Professional Instrument Repair > > 972.795.5784 > > > > > > > > "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low > > price has faded" > > "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he > > speaks" > > "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried > > yet." > > "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud." -Sophocles > > > > On 2/7/2020 12:34 PM, John Wasson via Trombone-l wrote: > > > That is very likely Dick McQuarry?s arrangement. He did a dozen or two > > really fine arrangements for 6 trombones (incl. 2 basses) and rhythm > > section. We have played nearly all of them for years in Them Bones here > in > > Dallas. > > > > > > They are all available out on the web as a download; I found them via a > > google search, but can?t remember where. :-) Should be easy for you to > > search out, though. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > JOHN WASSON > > > composer - producer > > > www.johnwasson.com > > > 214.733.1912 > > > > > >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 12:00 PM, trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org > wrote: > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> Message: 1 > > >> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:27:08 -0500 > > >> From: ralphjr at thewhitfields.com > > >> To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > >> Subject: [Trombone-l] "This Masquerade" for bones and rhythm > > >> Message-ID: > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > >> > > >> List wisdom... > > >> > > >> Back in college in the late 70's I along with the rest of the bone > > >> section of my college jazz band played an arrangement of "This > > >> Masquerade" for bones and rhythm. I seem to remember it being 5 bones > > >> and rhythm but it could be otherwise. > > >> > > >> Can anyone help me put a name to the arranger or even get a copy of > that > > >> chart? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Ralph > > >> > > >> Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. > > >> > > >> Bass Trombone, Gadsden Symphony Orchestra, > > >> > > >> Founder of "Grand Avenue Brass" > > >> > > >> "Trombonist by nature, engineer by necessity." > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trombone-l mailing list > > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From jhilf at penn.com Sun Feb 9 12:58:59 2020 From: jhilf at penn.com (John Jay Hilfiger) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Pederson Message-ID: <469B647B-4A8A-471B-87E4-988C558F5516@penn.com> While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of making every item they ever published, since the the late 1800?s, available for purchase. from their webpage: The C.L. Barnhouse Company is unique among publishing companies for preserving a nearly complete archive of all publications, dating back to 1886. Virtually all of these products are available today, thanks to the Archive Edition series of publications produced on our in-house printing systems. As a result, virtually no C. L. Barnhouse publication is out of print. Additionally, the in-house printing provides for the immediate availability of extra scores and all other products, eliminating the back ordering process. https://www.barnhouse.com/about-us/ John Jay Hilfiger Composer/Arranger Retired peripatetic music professor > In my ever so humble, and ever so NOT legal, opinion, once a publisher lets music go out of print, it is fair game. this is a spirit of the law, not letter of the law, opinion, and I?m sure many of you will disagree with it! > > > Raymond Horton > Composer/Arranger > Minister of Music, > Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, > Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 From horton.raymond at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 13:53:34 2020 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Pederson In-Reply-To: <469B647B-4A8A-471B-87E4-988C558F5516@penn.com> References: <469B647B-4A8A-471B-87E4-988C558F5516@penn.com> Message-ID: <719A90A5-CA78-45E3-846D-6B2D66745608@gmail.com> That is fabulous! More power to them! Raymond Horton Composer/Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 > On Feb 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John Jay Hilfiger via Trombone-l wrote: > > ?While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! > > Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. > > Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of making every item they ever published, since the the late 1800?s, available for purchase. from their webpage: > > The C.L. Barnhouse Company is unique among publishing companies for preserving a nearly complete archive of all publications, dating back to 1886. Virtually all of these products are available today, thanks to the Archive Edition series of publications produced on our in-house printing systems. As a result, virtually no C. L. Barnhouse publication is out of print. Additionally, the in-house printing provides for the immediate availability of extra scores and all other products, eliminating the back ordering process. https://www.barnhouse.com/about-us/ > > John Jay Hilfiger > Composer/Arranger > Retired peripatetic music professor > > >> In my ever so humble, and ever so NOT legal, opinion, once a publisher lets music go out of print, it is fair game. this is a spirit of the law, not letter of the law, opinion, and I?m sure many of you will disagree with it! >> >> >> Raymond Horton >> Composer/Arranger >> Minister of Music, >> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church >> Retired Bass Trombonist, >> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From davidfetter at comcast.net Sun Feb 9 14:11:24 2020 From: davidfetter at comcast.net (DAVID FETTER) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 15:11:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson In-Reply-To: <469B647B-4A8A-471B-87E4-988C558F5516@penn.com> References: <469B647B-4A8A-471B-87E4-988C558F5516@penn.com> Message-ID: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks to jay Hilfiger for his comment. It is illegal to copy music under copyright, but with the electronic age it feels so right to do it. Some pirates, some opportunists, sometimes in other countries, sell paper or electronic copies without permission and without paying royalties. Some royalties do trickle in from multiple views on YouTube etc. Not enough to keep you in beer. I don't know if Kendor is Pederson's only publisher. Hickey's lists 26 Pederson items. Kendor and the current owners of his copyrights possibly his family, would likely be encouraged by interest in preserving and perhaps publishing more of his music. And they might be OK with casual sharing and/or seeing these discoveries in a scholarly article in the ITA Journal. The few copies I saw looked like sketches or single parts, transcribed solos. Did he write them out to be played on TV or whatever? There may be a doctoral thesis in this for someone. Of course, this sort of digging can rescue an obscure composer/arranger, who will most likely be grateful for the attention. Meanwhile, it would be wise for musicians to help sustain music publishing. David Fetter David Fetter Music for Brass fetterbrass.com > On February 9, 2020 at 1:58 PM John Jay Hilfiger via Trombone-l wrote: > > > While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! > > Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. > > Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of making every item they ever published, since the the late 1800?s, available for purchase. from their webpage: > > The C.L. Barnhouse Company is unique among publishing companies for preserving a nearly complete archive of all publications, dating back to 1886. Virtually all of these products are available today, thanks to the Archive Edition series of publications produced on our in-house printing systems. As a result, virtually no C. L. Barnhouse publication is out of print. Additionally, the in-house printing provides for the immediate availability of extra scores and all other products, eliminating the back ordering process. https://www.barnhouse.com/about-us/ > > John Jay Hilfiger > Composer/Arranger > Retired peripatetic music professor > > > > In my ever so humble, and ever so NOT legal, opinion, once a publisher lets music go out of print, it is fair game. this is a spirit of the law, not letter of the law, opinion, and I?m sure many of you will disagree with it! > > > > > > Raymond Horton > > Composer/Arranger > > Minister of Music, > > Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > Retired Bass Trombonist, > > Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From jenoxon at icloud.com Sun Feb 9 14:23:01 2020 From: jenoxon at icloud.com (John Noxon) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:23:01 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson In-Reply-To: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> References: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: There was many copyright holders of his work. About 7 are deceased. He has no family left. All the ex?s are dead. The only copyrighted material I know is possibly Kendor for the books. All of the other stuff was never published it came from Gene Mansons back up copies of Hoyt?s Garage. J > On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:12, DAVID FETTER via Trombone-l wrote: > > ?Thanks to jay Hilfiger for his comment. > > It is illegal to copy music under copyright, but with the electronic age it feels so right to do it. Some pirates, some opportunists, sometimes in other countries, sell paper or electronic copies without permission and without paying royalties. Some royalties do trickle in from multiple views on YouTube etc. Not enough to keep you in beer. > > I don't know if Kendor is Pederson's only publisher. Hickey's lists 26 Pederson items. Kendor and the current owners of his copyrights possibly his family, would likely be encouraged by interest in preserving and perhaps publishing more of his music. And they might be OK with casual sharing and/or seeing these discoveries in a scholarly article in the ITA Journal. The few copies I saw looked like sketches or single parts, transcribed solos. Did he write them out to be played on TV or whatever? There may be a doctoral thesis in this for someone. > > Of course, this sort of digging can rescue an obscure composer/arranger, who will most likely be grateful for the attention. > > Meanwhile, it would be wise for musicians to help sustain music publishing. > > David Fetter > David Fetter Music for Brass > fetterbrass.com > >> On February 9, 2020 at 1:58 PM John Jay Hilfiger via Trombone-l wrote: >> >> >> While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! >> >> Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. >> >> Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of making every item they ever published, since the the late 1800?s, available for purchase. from their webpage: >> >> The C.L. Barnhouse Company is unique among publishing companies for preserving a nearly complete archive of all publications, dating back to 1886. Virtually all of these products are available today, thanks to the Archive Edition series of publications produced on our in-house printing systems. As a result, virtually no C. L. Barnhouse publication is out of print. Additionally, the in-house printing provides for the immediate availability of extra scores and all other products, eliminating the back ordering process. https://www.barnhouse.com/about-us/ >> >> John Jay Hilfiger >> Composer/Arranger >> Retired peripatetic music professor >> >> >>> In my ever so humble, and ever so NOT legal, opinion, once a publisher lets music go out of print, it is fair game. this is a spirit of the law, not letter of the law, opinion, and I?m sure many of you will disagree with it! >>> >>> >>> Raymond Horton >>> Composer/Arranger >>> Minister of Music, >>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church >>> Retired Bass Trombonist, >>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From m at plunge.com Sun Feb 9 15:50:08 2020 From: m at plunge.com (markmcgrain) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 15:50:08 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson In-Reply-To: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> References: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5816AE4A-3814-46B2-8751-73985D75332C@plunge.com> It?s always been my understanding that copying for educational purposes/non-commercial purposes has been arguably permissible. Credit must be given of course, and it may be dependent upon whether or not the work in question was copied in its entirety. So long as no money changes hands, intent is purely educational, and credit is given, I don?t think there is much of a case. We all are in this for the learning and teaching; if not then certainly we?ve the creativity and means to create original material or able to purchase performance rights. This offering is truly a gift for all who wish to continue Maestro Pederson?s efforts with respect. Look, I?m a trombone player not a intellectual property lawyer, regardless of the fact that both vocations may garner the greatest public gratitude once we?ve finally closed the case! (Thanks to Tom ?Bones? Malone for that one.) ?Exhibit your passion.??Max Roach ?Love, Time, and Divination? - featuring Mark McGrain with Matt Lemmler, James Singleton, and JohnBoutt?. http://www.markmcgrain.com/music Video: On The Turning Away w/ John Boutt? https://youtu.be/pW9rXTqVu5g www.markmcgrain.com/music booking at markmcgrain.com www.plunge.com www.immersionrecords.com > On Feb 9, 2020, at 2:15 PM, DAVID FETTER via Trombone-l wrote: > > ?Thanks to jay Hilfiger for his comment. > > It is illegal to copy music under copyright, but with the electronic age it feels so right to do it. Some pirates, some opportunists, sometimes in other countries, sell paper or electronic copies without permission and without paying royalties. Some royalties do trickle in from multiple views on YouTube etc. Not enough to keep you in beer. > > I don't know if Kendor is Pederson's only publisher. Hickey's lists 26 Pederson items. Kendor and the current owners of his copyrights possibly his family, would likely be encouraged by interest in preserving and perhaps publishing more of his music. And they might be OK with casual sharing and/or seeing these discoveries in a scholarly article in the ITA Journal. The few copies I saw looked like sketches or single parts, transcribed solos. Did he write them out to be played on TV or whatever? There may be a doctoral thesis in this for someone. > > Of course, this sort of digging can rescue an obscure composer/arranger, who will most likely be grateful for the attention. > > Meanwhile, it would be wise for musicians to help sustain music publishing. > > David Fetter > David Fetter Music for Brass > fetterbrass.com > >> On February 9, 2020 at 1:58 PM John Jay Hilfiger via Trombone-l wrote: >> >> >> While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! >> >> Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. >> >> Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of maki From davidfetter at comcast.net Sun Feb 9 20:58:27 2020 From: davidfetter at comcast.net (DAVID FETTER) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 21:58:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson In-Reply-To: <5816AE4A-3814-46B2-8751-73985D75332C@plunge.com> References: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> <5816AE4A-3814-46B2-8751-73985D75332C@plunge.com> Message-ID: <122937466.187297.1581303507646@connect.xfinity.com> Yes, there is an exemption for partial use of a publication for educational purposes. Meanwhile, there's a part of me that says, the biggest thrill is if you play my music, however you came across it. That's the most fun of all. David Fetter > On February 9, 2020 at 4:50 PM markmcgrain wrote: > > It?s always been my understanding that copying for educational purposes/non-commercial purposes has been arguably permissible. Credit must be given of course, and it may be dependent upon whether or not the work in question was copied in its entirety. So long as no money changes hands, intent is purely educational, and credit is given, I don?t think there is much of a case. We all are in this for the learning and teaching; if not then certainly we?ve the creativity and means to create original material or able to purchase performance rights. This offering is truly a gift for all who wish to continue Maestro Pederson?s efforts with respect. > > Look, I?m a trombone player not a intellectual property lawyer, regardless of the fact that both vocations may garner the greatest public gratitude once we?ve finally closed the case! (Thanks to Tom ?Bones? Malone for that one.) > > > > ?Exhibit your passion.??Max Roach > > ?Love, Time, and Divination? - featuring Mark McGrain with Matt Lemmler, James Singleton, and JohnBoutt?. > http://www.markmcgrain.com/music http://www.markmcgrain.com/music > > Video: On The Turning Away w/ John Boutt? > https://youtu.be/pW9rXTqVu5g https://youtu.be/pW9rXTqVu5g > > www.markmcgrain.com/music http://www.markmcgrain.com/music > booking at markmcgrain.com mailto:booking at markmcgrain.com > www.plunge.com http://www.plunge.com/ > www.immersionrecords.com http://www.immersionrecords.com/ > > > > > On Feb 9, 2020, at 2:15 PM, DAVID FETTER via Trombone-l wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to jay Hilfiger for his comment. > > > > It is illegal to copy music under copyright, but with the electronic age it feels so right to do it. Some pirates, some opportunists, sometimes in other countries, sell paper or electronic copies without permission and without paying royalties. Some royalties do trickle in from multiple views on YouTube etc. Not enough to keep you in beer. > > > > I don't know if Kendor is Pederson's only publisher. Hickey's lists 26 Pederson items. Kendor and the current owners of his copyrights possibly his family, would likely be encouraged by interest in preserving and perhaps publishing more of his music. And they might be OK with casual sharing and/or seeing these discoveries in a scholarly article in the ITA Journal. The few copies I saw looked like sketches or single parts, transcribed solos. Did he write them out to be played on TV or whatever? There may be a doctoral thesis in this for someone. > > > > Of course, this sort of digging can rescue an obscure composer/arranger, who will most likely be grateful for the attention. > > > > Meanwhile, it would be wise for musicians to help sustain music publishing. > > > > David Fetter > > David Fetter Music for Brass > > fetterbrass.com > > > > > > > > > On February 9, 2020 at 1:58 PM John Jay Hilfiger via Trombone-l wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of maki > > > > > > > > > > > From craig at parmerlee.com Sun Feb 9 21:20:17 2020 From: craig at parmerlee.com (Craig Parmerlee) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 22:20:17 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson In-Reply-To: <122937466.187297.1581303507646@connect.xfinity.com> References: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> <5816AE4A-3814-46B2-8751-73985D75332C@plunge.com> <122937466.187297.1581303507646@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I believe the educational exception is limited to 10% of the work.? I don't believe there is any legal way to freely copy complete sheet music that has a copyright claim without explicit permission. As a practical matter, I don't ever hand out originals I have purchased.? I keep the originals on file.? There have been too many times that I have had to re-create folders.? And in many of those cases, the music simply wouldn't be available from a publisher at any price.? And I do use copies of out-of-print music obtained from others, so I'm not trying to say I am holier than thou.? But we should be clear about the actual laws. Many people, myself included, believe that the "Disney Act" that protects everything back to 1929 is one of the most vile pieces of corporate-purchased legislation ever, but it is the law.? It is ironic that patents are (ostensibly) only good for 17 years while Disney has arranged for their rights to be basically forever. On 2/9/2020 9:58 PM, DAVID FETTER via Trombone-l wrote: > Yes, there is an exemption for partial use of a publication for educational purposes. > > Meanwhile, there's a part of me that says, the biggest thrill is if you play my music, however you came across it. That's the most fun of all. > > David Fetter From georgecarr at gmail.com Mon Feb 10 09:17:58 2020 From: georgecarr at gmail.com (George Carr) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson & Copyright reform In-Reply-To: References: <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> <5816AE4A-3814-46B2-8751-73985D75332C@plunge.com> <122937466.187297.1581303507646@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: This issue comes up a lot in the book-publishing industry; there are thousands, maybe millions, of "orphan" books whose authors & publishers (or their "successors in interest," like spouses, heirs, and such) can't be readily identified. About a decade ago, after Google digitized several major college libraries in their entirety, and couldn't figure out how to pay royalties for such books, they proposed a system for putting royalties & other fees for such works in trust until the rights-holders could be sorted out, as part of a court settlement. But the settlement fell through, and the lawsuit was dismissed, without really addressing how orphan books might be handled better. Music publishers are even less organized (both individually and as an industry), and rights to orphan music usually don't get investigated at all, unless there's a record label involved. (For instance, Bill Holman used to tell the story of how Buddy Rich proudly refused to pay for Bill's big band arrangements, believing that the prestige of writing for him was payment enough, but Rich's record label ended up paying Holman secretly.) So it's still correct that the current state of the law prohibits reproduction of copyrighted works, unless one of the fair use exceptions applies: teaching, satire, etc. There's no "bright line" at 10% of the work; I've seen copyright infringement liability arise from 'borrowing' a single third clarinet part to a concert band score, which is way less than 10% of the pages involved. But it's also true that infringers don't usually get hassled when the rights-holder has let the work go out of print, and that infringers who make efforts to identify and pay the rightsholder, but can't find them, rarely face any legal consequences. I actually AM a lawyer, with copyright litigation experience, so I can answer more specific questions off-list. George Carr 216-245-5380 On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:21 PM Craig Parmerlee via Trombone-l wrote: > > I believe the educational exception is limited to 10% of the work. I > don't believe there is any legal way to freely copy complete sheet music > that has a copyright claim without explicit permission. > > As a practical matter, I don't ever hand out originals I have > purchased. I keep the originals on file. There have been too many > times that I have had to re-create folders. And in many of those cases, > the music simply wouldn't be available from a publisher at any price. > And I do use copies of out-of-print music obtained from others, so I'm > not trying to say I am holier than thou. But we should be clear about > the actual laws. > > Many people, myself included, believe that the "Disney Act" that > protects everything back to 1929 is one of the most vile pieces of > corporate-purchased legislation ever, but it is the law. It is ironic > that patents are (ostensibly) only good for 17 years while Disney has > arranged for their rights to be basically forever. > > > > On 2/9/2020 9:58 PM, DAVID FETTER via Trombone-l wrote: > > Yes, there is an exemption for partial use of a publication for educational purposes. > > From davidfetter at comcast.net Tue Feb 11 18:37:06 2020 From: davidfetter at comcast.net (DAVID FETTER) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:37:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson In-Reply-To: <47299206.48118360.1581341023186.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> References: <469B647B-4A8A-471B-87E4-988C558F5516@penn.com> <171311860.182771.1581279084824@connect.xfinity.com> <47299206.48118360.1581341023186.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Message-ID: <719983479.224107.1581467826455@connect.xfinity.com> While this copying is illegal, I can't imagine that a copyright holder would complain, as the band has purchased a set of originals and we want the show to go on. I recall that the Voice Department at the Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore required that a purchased original had to be on hand for a student to sing a copyrighted work on a recital. At the same time, in the trombone studios, copying went on routinely without comment. David Fetter > On February 10, 2020 at 8:23 AM Michael Sanders wrote: > > > If I may add my two cents to this discussion; whenever music is handed out to members of our band and there is only one copy of the 2nd trombone part we will get up and go copy it so that we both have a part to play from. I certainly am not going to go running out to the local music store and try to buy an original copy. I have neither the time, money or interest, the publisher and the composer be damned. By the time we could locate an original copy the concert would be long over. Maybe I am evil and will roast in hell but that's the way most muscians operate, especially non-professionals. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trombone-l" > To: "John Jay Hilfiger" , "trombone-l" > Cc: douglasyeo at me.com > Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Tommy Pederson > > Thanks to jay Hilfiger for his comment. > > It is illegal to copy music under copyright, but with the electronic age it feels so right to do it. Some pirates, some opportunists, sometimes in other countries, sell paper or electronic copies without permission and without paying royalties. Some royalties do trickle in from multiple views on YouTube etc. Not enough to keep you in beer. > > I don't know if Kendor is Pederson's only publisher. Hickey's lists 26 Pederson items. Kendor and the current owners of his copyrights possibly his family, would likely be encouraged by interest in preserving and perhaps publishing more of his music. And they might be OK with casual sharing and/or seeing these discoveries in a scholarly article in the ITA Journal. The few copies I saw looked like sketches or single parts, transcribed solos. Did he write them out to be played on TV or whatever? There may be a doctoral thesis in this for someone. > > Of course, this sort of digging can rescue an obscure composer/arranger, who will most likely be grateful for the attention. > > Meanwhile, it would be wise for musicians to help sustain music publishing. > > David Fetter > David Fetter Music for Brass > fetterbrass.com > > > On February 9, 2020 at 1:58 PM John Jay Hilfiger via Trombone-l wrote: > > > > > > While your opinion that out-of-print music should be fair game, is NOT in line with the law, I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly! > > > > Some of the music discussed in this thread was originally published by Kendor. As a long time (since 1969) Kendor composer/arranger, with a number of items long out of print, this subject is close to my heart. In case you were not aware, Kendor has, in the last few years, made a lot of their out-of-print works available for purchase as digital downloads. Check the webpage: https://www.kendormusic.com/cc6/index.php I don?t know what Kendor?s plans are for the rest of their catalog. If there is something that you really want, perhaps a request could get that item on the list of digital downloads. > > > > Note that some publishers have enthusiastically pursued reviving their back catalogs. C.L. Barnhouse, for example, has almost completed the process of making every item they ever published, since the the late 1800?s, available for purchase. from their webpage: > > > > The C.L. Barnhouse Company is unique among publishing companies for preserving a nearly complete archive of all publications, dating back to 1886. Virtually all of these products are available today, thanks to the Archive Edition series of publications produced on our in-house printing systems. As a result, virtually no C. L. Barnhouse publication is out of print. Additionally, the in-house printing provides for the immediate availability of extra scores and all other products, eliminating the back ordering process. https://www.barnhouse.com/about-us/ > > > > John Jay Hilfiger > > Composer/Arranger > > Retired peripatetic music professor > > > > > > > In my ever so humble, and ever so NOT legal, opinion, once a publisher lets music go out of print, it is fair game. this is a spirit of the law, not letter of the law, opinion, and I?m sure many of you will disagree with it! > > > > > > > > > Raymond Horton > > > Composer/Arranger > > > Minister of Music, > > > Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > > Retired Bass Trombonist, > > > Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016 > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From chris.waage at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 11:08:04 2020 From: chris.waage at gmail.com (Chris Waage) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:08:04 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Looking for G&W Chinook Message-ID: Anyone have a used Chinook in stainless that they'd part with for a reasonable price? Thanks, Chris -- *Chris Waage, DMA* Staff Arranger and Assistant Conductor, Northland Cathedral, Kansas City, Missouri Music Director, Lexington Wind Symphony, Lexington, Missouri Freelance teacher, clinician. and low brass artist From pricetaylor at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 14:24:42 2020 From: pricetaylor at gmail.com (Price Taylor) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:24:42 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Looking for G&W Chinook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good idea, would like one myself! On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 11:30 AM Chris Waage via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Anyone have a used Chinook in stainless that they'd part with for a > reasonable price? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > *Chris Waage, DMA* > Staff Arranger and Assistant Conductor, Northland Cathedral, Kansas City, > Missouri > Music Director, Lexington Wind Symphony, Lexington, Missouri > Freelance teacher, clinician. and low brass artist > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >