From chris at trombone.org Mon Nov 5 07:52:17 2018 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 11/5/18 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 7:51 AM CDT on November 5, 2018. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! 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There seems to be no information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know anything about this, or know where I can find information? Thanks! -- best, Kristine Solli Oppegaard +47 48189667 oppekri at gmail.com From chris at trombone.org Mon Nov 12 06:28:15 2018 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:28:15 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 11/12/18 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:26 AM CDT on November 12, 2018. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From georgebutler3rd at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 08:01:44 2018 From: georgebutler3rd at gmail.com (George Butler) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:01:44 +0200 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Kristine! I'm guessing, that choosing to *write* about the Creston Fantasy is probably a smarter decision than choosing to perform it. :-) So, you two don't be too hard on yourselves, okay? :-) Plus, if you and your friend are not finding anything written about it, there's an *opportunity* here for you to contribute. :-) I once owned an LP recording of Jay Friedman and the Chicago Symphony doing it, but--and *THIS* is stupid--I stupidly left it behind with my other 300 LPs when I moved from south Texas to northeastern Europe in 2006. I am still kicking myself about that. This recording was sold as a fundraiser for the CSO by the CSO. I cannot remember if there was anything to the liner notes. Maybe my buddy Howard Weiner, a Chicago boy now living in Freiburg, southwest Germany, still has his. My classmate Abbie Conant used it as her entrance exam at Juilliard in 1977, and later played it on one of her recitals. Maybe she knows a little more than the rest of us? When I get home tonight--another eight hours here in the Helsinki time zone--I can take a look at my first edition of Vern Kagarice's bibliography of solo trombone with orchestra or band accompaniment. It's old, but not as old as the Creston. Oh, another thought: I'd guess that Clinton F. Niewig, Librarian Emeritus of the Philadelphia Orchestra and dean of orchestra librarians everywhere, might have something. His book on bass trombone solo works with orchestral accompaniment appeared recently. At one time, he was quite active in this Trombone-L community, freely answering our queries. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10588167.2018.1484681?journalCode=wmus20 --George Butler, Lasnam?e Muusikakool, Tallinn, Estonia On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Hi everyone! > Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. Now, I am > searching help for a friend; > I have a writing workshop for my master thesis, and stupidly enough I chose > to write about the Creston Fantasy for trombone. There seems to be no > information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know anything > about this, or know where I can find information? > > Thanks! > -- > best, > > Kristine Solli Oppegaard > +47 48189667 > oppekri at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From basstrb3 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 09:52:42 2018 From: basstrb3 at gmail.com (Philip Brink) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:52:42 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On this subject [and many thanks, George!] you could try contacting Loren Marsteller in the LA area - he recorded the Creston with piano several years ago, and in his preparation for that he talked with Creston about many aspects of the piece. Creston is no longer available to ask about it, so Loren might have some valuable information! Phil Brink On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:02 AM George Butler via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Hi, Kristine! > > I'm guessing, that choosing to *write* about the Creston Fantasy is > probably a smarter decision than choosing to perform it. :-) So, you two > don't be too hard on yourselves, okay? :-) > > Plus, if you and your friend are not finding anything written about it, > there's an *opportunity* here for you to contribute. :-) > > I once owned an LP recording of Jay Friedman and the Chicago Symphony doing > it, but--and *THIS* is stupid--I stupidly left it behind with my other 300 > LPs when I moved from south Texas to northeastern Europe in 2006. I am > still kicking myself about that. This recording was sold as a fundraiser > for the CSO by the CSO. I cannot remember if there was anything to the > liner notes. Maybe my buddy Howard Weiner, a Chicago boy now living in > Freiburg, southwest Germany, still has his. > > My classmate Abbie Conant used it as her entrance exam at Juilliard in > 1977, and later played it on one of her recitals. Maybe she knows a little > more than the rest of us? > > When I get home tonight--another eight hours here in the Helsinki time > zone--I can take a look at my first edition of Vern Kagarice's bibliography > of solo trombone with orchestra or band accompaniment. It's old, but not > as old as the Creston. > > Oh, another thought: I'd guess that Clinton F. Niewig, Librarian Emeritus > of the Philadelphia Orchestra and dean of orchestra librarians everywhere, > might have something. His book on bass trombone solo works with orchestral > accompaniment appeared recently. At one time, he was quite active in this > Trombone-L community, freely answering our queries. > > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10588167.2018.1484681?journalCode=wmus20 > > --George Butler, Lasnam?e Muusikakool, Tallinn, Estonia > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. Now, I am > > searching help for a friend; > > I have a writing workshop for my master thesis, and stupidly enough I > chose > > to write about the Creston Fantasy for trombone. There seems to be no > > information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know anything > > about this, or know where I can find information? > > > > Thanks! > > -- > > best, > > > > Kristine Solli Oppegaard > > +47 48189667 > > oppekri at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > -- Philip Brink Instructor of Trombone, retired College of Music, Mahidol University Low Brass principal, Thailand Philharmonic, retired From h.weiner at online.de Mon Nov 12 10:22:07 2018 From: h.weiner at online.de (Howard Weiner) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:22:07 +0100 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14b3eed5-4864-a47f-5009-f695960c8299@online.de> No, George, I never had a copy of that LP. It was probably issued after my time in Chicago. All I know about the Creston Fantasy, aside from the fact that it's very difficult, is that it was writen in 1947 for Robert Marsteller, who premiered it in 1948 in Los Angeles. But that's from Wikipedia. The Wikipedia article on Creston refers to two fairly recent books containing about him. That would be the next step ... Howard Am 12.11.2018 um 15:01 schrieb George Butler via Trombone-l: > Hi, Kristine! > > I'm guessing, that choosing to *write* about the Creston Fantasy is > probably a smarter decision than choosing to perform it. :-) So, you two > don't be too hard on yourselves, okay? :-) > > Plus, if you and your friend are not finding anything written about it, > there's an *opportunity* here for you to contribute. :-) > > I once owned an LP recording of Jay Friedman and the Chicago Symphony doing > it, but--and *THIS* is stupid--I stupidly left it behind with my other 300 > LPs when I moved from south Texas to northeastern Europe in 2006. I am > still kicking myself about that. This recording was sold as a fundraiser > for the CSO by the CSO. I cannot remember if there was anything to the > liner notes. Maybe my buddy Howard Weiner, a Chicago boy now living in > Freiburg, southwest Germany, still has his. > > My classmate Abbie Conant used it as her entrance exam at Juilliard in > 1977, and later played it on one of her recitals. Maybe she knows a little > more than the rest of us? > > When I get home tonight--another eight hours here in the Helsinki time > zone--I can take a look at my first edition of Vern Kagarice's bibliography > of solo trombone with orchestra or band accompaniment. It's old, but not > as old as the Creston. > > Oh, another thought: I'd guess that Clinton F. Niewig, Librarian Emeritus > of the Philadelphia Orchestra and dean of orchestra librarians everywhere, > might have something. His book on bass trombone solo works with orchestral > accompaniment appeared recently. At one time, he was quite active in this > Trombone-L community, freely answering our queries. > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10588167.2018.1484681?journalCode=wmus20 > > --George Butler, Lasnam?e Muusikakool, Tallinn, Estonia > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. Now, I am >> searching help for a friend; >> I have a writing workshop for my master thesis, and stupidly enough I chose >> to write about the Creston Fantasy for trombone. There seems to be no >> information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know anything >> about this, or know where I can find information? >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> best, >> >> Kristine Solli Oppegaard >> +47 48189667 >> oppekri at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org -- Howard Weiner h.weiner at online.de https://www.howard-weiner.de If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? From h.weiner at online.de Mon Nov 12 10:25:49 2018 From: h.weiner at online.de (Howard Weiner) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:25:49 +0100 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713c0995-058a-3334-c7c5-641a3e652a8e@online.de> Alas, Marsteller is also no longer available to talk about it. He died in 1975. H Am 12.11.2018 um 16:52 schrieb Philip Brink via Trombone-l: > On this subject [and many thanks, George!] you could try contacting Loren > Marsteller in the LA area - he recorded the Creston with piano several > years ago, and in his preparation for that he talked with Creston about > many aspects of the piece. Creston is no longer available to ask about it, > so Loren might have some valuable information! > > Phil Brink > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:02 AM George Butler via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> Hi, Kristine! >> >> I'm guessing, that choosing to *write* about the Creston Fantasy is >> probably a smarter decision than choosing to perform it. :-) So, you two >> don't be too hard on yourselves, okay? :-) >> >> Plus, if you and your friend are not finding anything written about it, >> there's an *opportunity* here for you to contribute. :-) >> >> I once owned an LP recording of Jay Friedman and the Chicago Symphony doing >> it, but--and *THIS* is stupid--I stupidly left it behind with my other 300 >> LPs when I moved from south Texas to northeastern Europe in 2006. I am >> still kicking myself about that. This recording was sold as a fundraiser >> for the CSO by the CSO. I cannot remember if there was anything to the >> liner notes. Maybe my buddy Howard Weiner, a Chicago boy now living in >> Freiburg, southwest Germany, still has his. >> >> My classmate Abbie Conant used it as her entrance exam at Juilliard in >> 1977, and later played it on one of her recitals. Maybe she knows a little >> more than the rest of us? >> >> When I get home tonight--another eight hours here in the Helsinki time >> zone--I can take a look at my first edition of Vern Kagarice's bibliography >> of solo trombone with orchestra or band accompaniment. It's old, but not >> as old as the Creston. >> >> Oh, another thought: I'd guess that Clinton F. Niewig, Librarian Emeritus >> of the Philadelphia Orchestra and dean of orchestra librarians everywhere, >> might have something. His book on bass trombone solo works with orchestral >> accompaniment appeared recently. At one time, he was quite active in this >> Trombone-L community, freely answering our queries. >> >> https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10588167.2018.1484681?journalCode=wmus20 >> >> --George Butler, Lasnam?e Muusikakool, Tallinn, Estonia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone! >>> Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. Now, I am >>> searching help for a friend; >>> I have a writing workshop for my master thesis, and stupidly enough I >> chose >>> to write about the Creston Fantasy for trombone. There seems to be no >>> information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know anything >>> about this, or know where I can find information? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> -- >>> best, >>> >>> Kristine Solli Oppegaard >>> +47 48189667 >>> oppekri at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > -- Howard Weiner h.weiner at online.de https://www.howard-weiner.de If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? From h.weiner at online.de Mon Nov 12 10:27:52 2018 From: h.weiner at online.de (Howard Weiner) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:27:52 +0100 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f3a47aa-c058-bee2-d78e-e23c288923e7@online.de> No, George, I never had a copy of that LP. It was probably issued after my time in Chicago. All I know about the Creston Fantasy, aside from the fact that it's very difficult, is that it was writen in 1947 for Robert Marsteller, who premiered it in 1948 in Los Angeles. But that's from Wikipedia. The Wikipedia article on Creston refers to two fairly recent books containing information about him. That would be the next step ... Howard Am 12.11.2018 um 15:01 schrieb George Butler via Trombone-l: > Hi, Kristine! > > I'm guessing, that choosing to *write* about the Creston Fantasy is > probably a smarter decision than choosing to perform it. :-) So, you two > don't be too hard on yourselves, okay? :-) > > Plus, if you and your friend are not finding anything written about it, > there's an *opportunity* here for you to contribute. :-) > > I once owned an LP recording of Jay Friedman and the Chicago Symphony doing > it, but--and *THIS* is stupid--I stupidly left it behind with my other 300 > LPs when I moved from south Texas to northeastern Europe in 2006. I am > still kicking myself about that. This recording was sold as a fundraiser > for the CSO by the CSO. I cannot remember if there was anything to the > liner notes. Maybe my buddy Howard Weiner, a Chicago boy now living in > Freiburg, southwest Germany, still has his. > > My classmate Abbie Conant used it as her entrance exam at Juilliard in > 1977, and later played it on one of her recitals. Maybe she knows a little > more than the rest of us? > > When I get home tonight--another eight hours here in the Helsinki time > zone--I can take a look at my first edition of Vern Kagarice's bibliography > of solo trombone with orchestra or band accompaniment. It's old, but not > as old as the Creston. > > Oh, another thought: I'd guess that Clinton F. Niewig, Librarian Emeritus > of the Philadelphia Orchestra and dean of orchestra librarians everywhere, > might have something. His book on bass trombone solo works with orchestral > accompaniment appeared recently. At one time, he was quite active in this > Trombone-L community, freely answering our queries. > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10588167.2018.1484681?journalCode=wmus20 > > --George Butler, Lasnam?e Muusikakool, Tallinn, Estonia > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. Now, I am >> searching help for a friend; >> I have a writing workshop for my master thesis, and stupidly enough I chose >> to write about the Creston Fantasy for trombone. There seems to be no >> information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know anything >> about this, or know where I can find information? >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> best, >> >> Kristine Solli Oppegaard >> +47 48189667 >> oppekri at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org -- Howard Weiner h.weiner at online.de https://www.howard-weiner.de If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? From donlewis999 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 10:32:42 2018 From: donlewis999 at gmail.com (Don Lewis) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:32:42 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: <1f3a47aa-c058-bee2-d78e-e23c288923e7@online.de> References: <1f3a47aa-c058-bee2-d78e-e23c288923e7@online.de> Message-ID: Does anyone know of a used sackbut for sale? On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM Howard Weiner via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > No, George, I never had a copy of that LP. It was probably issued after > my time in Chicago. > > All I know about the Creston Fantasy, aside from the fact that it's very > difficult, is that it was writen in 1947 for Robert Marsteller, who > premiered it in 1948 in Los Angeles. But that's from Wikipedia. The > Wikipedia article on Creston refers to two fairly recent books > containing information about him. That would be the next step ... > > Howard > > > > > > Am 12.11.2018 um 15:01 schrieb George Butler via Trombone-l: > > Hi, Kristine! > > > > I'm guessing, that choosing to *write* about the Creston Fantasy is > > probably a smarter decision than choosing to perform it. :-) So, you > two > > don't be too hard on yourselves, okay? :-) > > > > Plus, if you and your friend are not finding anything written about it, > > there's an *opportunity* here for you to contribute. :-) > > > > I once owned an LP recording of Jay Friedman and the Chicago Symphony > doing > > it, but--and *THIS* is stupid--I stupidly left it behind with my other > 300 > > LPs when I moved from south Texas to northeastern Europe in 2006. I am > > still kicking myself about that. This recording was sold as a fundraiser > > for the CSO by the CSO. I cannot remember if there was anything to the > > liner notes. Maybe my buddy Howard Weiner, a Chicago boy now living in > > Freiburg, southwest Germany, still has his. > > > > My classmate Abbie Conant used it as her entrance exam at Juilliard in > > 1977, and later played it on one of her recitals. Maybe she knows a > little > > more than the rest of us? > > > > When I get home tonight--another eight hours here in the Helsinki time > > zone--I can take a look at my first edition of Vern Kagarice's > bibliography > > of solo trombone with orchestra or band accompaniment. It's old, but not > > as old as the Creston. > > > > Oh, another thought: I'd guess that Clinton F. Niewig, Librarian > Emeritus > > of the Philadelphia Orchestra and dean of orchestra librarians > everywhere, > > might have something. His book on bass trombone solo works with > orchestral > > accompaniment appeared recently. At one time, he was quite active in > this > > Trombone-L community, freely answering our queries. > > > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10588167.2018.1484681?journalCode=wmus20 > > > > --George Butler, Lasnam?e Muusikakool, Tallinn, Estonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < > > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone! > >> Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. Now, I am > >> searching help for a friend; > >> I have a writing workshop for my master thesis, and stupidly enough I > chose > >> to write about the Creston Fantasy for trombone. There seems to be no > >> information on the piece, and I was wondering if any of you know > anything > >> about this, or know where I can find information? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> -- > >> best, > >> > >> Kristine Solli Oppegaard > >> +47 48189667 > >> oppekri at gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > -- > Howard Weiner > h.weiner at online.de > https://www.howard-weiner.de > > If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From georgebutler3rd at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 02:24:23 2018 From: georgebutler3rd at gmail.com (George Butler) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:24:23 +0200 Subject: [Trombone-l] Creston Fantasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Kristine, Well, Vern only did a a theoretical analysis. There's no history here. Vern Kagarice , *Annotated Guide to Trombone Solos with Band and Orchestra.* Lebanon, Indiana, USA: Studio P/R, Inc., 1974, pages 26-27. CRESTON, PAUL, *Fantasy for Trombone and Orchestra, Op. 44, *G. Schirmer, Inc., 1951, 3 dollars, 12:30 min., Level: IV-V. Range: F just below the bass clef staff to D# three ledger lines above the staff in tenor clef. Creston's *Fantasy for Trombone *has become widely recognized as one of the most difficult solos in the trombone repertoire. Written in a contemporary melodic and harmonic idiom, the complex tertian sonorities create an intense, expressive style. The solo lines frequently utilize chromatic, disjunct patterns. The one-movement work can be divided into three large sections, the first being light and quick, and generating much excitement through its articulated style. The climax of the fast section becomes more legato, thus setting the mood for the second large section of the work. Following an orchestral interlude, a slow, free-flowing legato section appears, utilizing an extremely thick harmonic texture. This section can present endurance problems at the climax point for even the best trombonists. Creston has indicated an optional *tacet* passage for the trombonist who needs more recuperation time. The optional *tacet* appears at the beginning of the long slow section, with the trombone solo line being played by the principal 'cello. Another interlude separates the slow middle section of the work from the final fast section. This section begins with an orchestral fugal statement, with the trombone making the final statement of the fugue subject. Creston then expands the fugue subject into a solo and accompaniment texture. A lyric section, still in the allegro tempo, returns with material reminiscent of the earlier slow middle section. The actual melodic material does not reappear in its entirety, but the smooth lyric character returns nevertheless. A fast, articulated, virtuoso section closes the piece in a bravura style. The final Allegro section has many wide melodic skips and some very awkward technical passages. The solo ends with several bars of sustained b1. Excellent tonguing and slide facility, strong endurance, good high range, good reading ability and sensitive musicianship are all requirements of the trombonist who wants to play the solo. The *Fantasy* makes an excellent terminal project for a graduation recital if the trombonist has all the above qualities. The piano reduction, made by the composer, is unreasonably difficult, and even the best pianists must edit certain passages before performing it. The orchestra parts are available from G. Schirmer, Inc. for a 45-dollar rental fee for one month. 30 dollars is charged for each subsequent month, and a performance fee of 30 dollars is charged to any organization without an ASCAP license. (END QUOTE) Just in case you kids don't know: Vern Kagarice (1942-2014) was long-time professor of trombone at the University of North Texas, in Denton, Texas. He was also long-time editor of the International Trombone Association Journal, and *the* central behind-the-scenes leader for the organization. Before Denton, he had been trombone professor at Youngstown State University in northeast Ohio for seventeen years, which is where he was in 1974 when his *Annotated Guide...* was published. Later in life, he played summers in the festival orchestra at the Chautauqua Festival in upstate New York. It's interesting to note that Professor Kagarice, with "V" being the highest grade he uses, gives a difficulty level of IV-V. I cannot imagine what in Creston is only a IV. :-) :-) :-) On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kristine Oppegaard via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Hi everyone! > Thank you for all the answers concerning the Lebedev concert. 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Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From horton.raymond at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 11:47:04 2018 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:47:04 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in movie "Three Little Words" Message-ID: I recorded this movie back in July off TCM and I'm just I'm now getting to watch it. it's Fred Astaire and Red Skelton in a biography of the songwriters Kalmar and Ruby. In a scene about 1 hour and 8 minutes into the movie, Astaire is dancing with Vera-Ellen to the song "Thinking of You". There is a short trombone solo going up to a high D that is among the most beautiful playing I've ever heard. It sounds an awful what like Dorsey himself, but that may be because the lick sounds like a little bit of IGSOY (F# B C# D C# etc). Anyway, any way of finding out who this was, or does anybody know? Cute movie, by the way. Vera-Ellen's dancing is beautiful and amazing. ?Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com From horton.raymond at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 13:39:39 2018 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:39:39 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in "Three Little Words" Message-ID: It is a great world in which we live! Here is a link to that scene to which I referred in an earlier message, just a few bars before the trombone solo: https://youtu.be/w_iQbNx2jeI ?Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com From horton.raymond at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 15:08:59 2018 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:08:59 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in movie "Three Little Words" In-Reply-To: <002001d488ec$bf1c4f70$3d54ee50$@laurencepayne.co.uk> References: <002001d488ec$bf1c4f70$3d54ee50$@laurencepayne.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks! Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:39 PM Laurence Payne wrote: > A previous discussion of this starts here: > > > http://trombonelist.org/pipermail/trombone-l_trombonelist.org/2018-January/000335.html > > > From keyser at mit.edu Fri Nov 30 15:24:11 2018 From: keyser at mit.edu (Samuel Jay Keyser) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:24:11 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in "Three Little Words" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23EA49D0-2E74-4BAC-AC0C-73A7D506DA8D@mit.edu> If I had to guess, I would say the soloist is Dick Nash. He would've been around 20 years old. Jay > On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l wrote: > > It is a great world in which we live! > > Here is a link to that scene to which I referred in an earlier message, > just a few bars before the trombone solo: > > https://youtu.be/w_iQbNx2jeI > > ?Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From horton.raymond at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 16:29:04 2018 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in "Three Little Words" In-Reply-To: <23EA49D0-2E74-4BAC-AC0C-73A7D506DA8D@mit.edu> References: <23EA49D0-2E74-4BAC-AC0C-73A7D506DA8D@mit.edu> Message-ID: that would be a very likely guess, also. Please see the thread referred to in the other thread that I started on this solo. Sorry to make it so complicated! ?Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:26 PM Samuel Jay Keyser If I had to guess, I would say the soloist is Dick Nash. He would've been > around 20 years old. > > Jay > > > On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > It is a great world in which we live! > > > > Here is a link to that scene to which I referred in an earlier message, > > just a few bars before the trombone solo: > > > > https://youtu.be/w_iQbNx2jeI > > > > ?Raymond Horton > > Composer, Arranger > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > From bobkoester at msn.com Fri Nov 30 17:34:43 2018 From: bobkoester at msn.com (Bob Koester) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 23:34:43 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in "Three Little Words" In-Reply-To: References: <23EA49D0-2E74-4BAC-AC0C-73A7D506DA8D@mit.edu>, Message-ID: My guess is Murray McEachern. 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This notice is automatically appended to all emails leaving this email address. ________________________________ From: Trombone-l on behalf of Raymond Horton via Trombone-l Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 4:29 PM To: Samuel Jay Keyser Cc: List Trombone Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone Solo in "Three Little Words" that would be a very likely guess, also. Please see the thread referred to in the other thread that I started on this solo. Sorry to make it so complicated! ?Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:26 PM Samuel Jay Keyser If I had to guess, I would say the soloist is Dick Nash. He would've been > around 20 years old. > > Jay > > > On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > It is a great world in which we live! > > > > Here is a link to that scene to which I referred in an earlier message, > > just a few bars before the trombone solo: > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fw_iQbNx2jeI&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ee6d51df92146ff6cc008d6571368cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636792138211465946&sdata=SusoQA4GCBM0nEYyQW29y65baLhnCzpP2qx5eV5HGsk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ?Raymond Horton > > Composer, Arranger > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftrombonelist.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftrombone-l_trombonelist.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ee6d51df92146ff6cc008d6571368cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636792138211465946&sdata=KVn9tGnpWq0c2P0CmU2mRgOndRtUq66p5A5ZO%2Bn1Vyg%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftrombonelist.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftrombone-l_trombonelist.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ee6d51df92146ff6cc008d6571368cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636792138211465946&sdata=KVn9tGnpWq0c2P0CmU2mRgOndRtUq66p5A5ZO%2Bn1Vyg%3D&reserved=0 From earl.kd5xb at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 21:31:25 2018 From: earl.kd5xb at gmail.com (Earl Needham) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Sleigh Rough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a blast from the past... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM Martin Hubel wrote: > Seasons greetings! > > Via youtube, I can share this with the group this year. It is my > understanding that this rhythm section has one or two dates open before > Christmas should you be desperate, really desperate. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_a7nuc5BM > > > Martin Hubel > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM Eric Swanson > wrote: > >> That?s nice, but remember the classic trumpet solo on Sleigh Ride from a >> few years ago?: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3PIRKmRXD8 >> > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:35 AM Martin Hubel wrote: > >> Well, this too has been around for the trumpeter in all of us. (like bass >> fishermen, you know who you are!) >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfodl1g_ibY >> >> >> ============================================ >> Martin Hubel >> MHC Inc. >> > From jobriant at garlic.com Fri Nov 30 21:57:42 2018 From: jobriant at garlic.com (Jim O'Briant) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 19:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Trombone-l] Sleigh Rough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02e501d4892a$02c84ca0$0858e5e0$@garlic.com> This solo piano version is really quite nice. It's in 7/8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZggJNsAuIw Jim O?Briant Gilroy, CA Music Director / Staff Arranger, The Pacific Brass Band www.PacificBrassBand.org From earl.kd5xb at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 23:02:41 2018 From: earl.kd5xb at gmail.com (Earl Needham) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:02:41 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Sleigh Rough In-Reply-To: <02e501d4892a$02c84ca0$0858e5e0$@garlic.com> References: <02e501d4892a$02c84ca0$0858e5e0$@garlic.com> Message-ID: That's really nice! On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 8:58 PM Jim O'Briant via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > This solo piano version is really quite nice. It's in 7/8. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZggJNsAuIw > > > Jim O?Briant > Gilroy, CA > Music Director / Staff Arranger, The Pacific Brass Band > www.PacificBrassBand.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >