From demko61 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 10:08:05 2018 From: demko61 at gmail.com (Dave Demko) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 11:08:05 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Fwd: Thoughts about the Mozart concerto? In-Reply-To: <0B6EA14E-07EE-4636-8EE0-05C075572CB1@aol.com> References: <0B6EA14E-07EE-4636-8EE0-05C075572CB1@aol.com> Message-ID: Linda, Jim, Thanks for the responses. I think David Rey's approach makes sense: keep it light and play the ornamentation as written. Maybe I'll do more with this piece than mentally sightread it on IMSLP. Hickey's has a half dozen or more editions available. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Linda Landis Date: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Thoughts about the Mozart concerto? To: Dave Demko I?ve played it and it?s nice. Good piece. I played a movement for a church service some time ago. Linda Landis, Lead Trombone Columbus Jazz Orchestra, Columbus Symphony, Private Teacher > On Jul 22, 2018, at 10:51 PM, Dave Demko via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > Not the Leopold Mozart Concerto for alto trombone, but Wolfgang Mozart's > Bassoon Concerto, K.191, played on tenor. Anybody ever do this? Is it > plausible? > > I heard this piece played live by bassoon virtuoso Carl Nitchie and was > amazed. On paper, though, it doesn't look all that daunting. Maybe some of > the trills wouldn't lie well? I'm interested in your opinions. > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From georgecarr at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 18:47:23 2018 From: georgecarr at gmail.com (George Carr) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:47:23 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Casterede Message-ID: Does anybody have a scan on hand of the Casterede? I'm traveling to play it, and just discovered my copy is missing pages. Any help would be appreciated, I have access to a printer here, though. Thanks in advance, George From georgecarr at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 19:44:26 2018 From: georgecarr at gmail.com (George Carr) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:44:26 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Casterede In-Reply-To: <8AD96B46-EC31-4A28-B662-3EC536A06A4B@gmail.com> References: <8AD96B46-EC31-4A28-B662-3EC536A06A4B@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Sonatine. On Aug 2, 2018 8:07 PM, "Chris Waage" wrote: Which Casterede? I believe I have the Fantaisie Concertante at home. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:47 PM, George Carr via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > Does anybody have a scan on hand of the Casterede? I'm traveling to play > it, and just discovered my copy is missing pages. > > Any help would be appreciated, I have access to a printer here, though. > > Thanks in advance, > George > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From horton.raymond at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:14:35 2018 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 23:14:35 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] CIMBASSO BARGAIN!!! NEW OFFER! Message-ID: *(NEW ? ACT FAST: Buy this NOW at $2000 and **NRE Master Craftsman Norm Epley will turn it in to a ?bent? cimbasso) **CIMBASSO** BARGAIN!!! * Cerveny CVT-576 F Valve Bass Trombone* - *ONLY $1900 * *(*Cerveny calls their straight model a "valve bass trombone" and the bent version of the identical instrument * *CVT 576-4CPX* * (Note the nearly identical model number) a "cimbasso," but the straight horn is much cheaper, for whatever reason. * This sale includes *several improvements *by *NRE Master Craftsman Norm Epley:* n Added tubing to bring pitch down to A=440 (the new horn was/is very sharp) n Two tuning slide triggers (1st and 4th valves) *With these alterations the horn plays very well in tune.* This sale also includes: n Contrabass trombone stand by Hornguys of LA ( $60 value-for resting the instrument while not playing) n ErgoBone stand ($150 value - to hold horn while playing) (note- this is the floor stand - the chest stand will not work with this horn) Why so cheap, with all of these extras? Ray bought this when it was temporarily cheaper (currency fluctuations). He played it on KY Opera?s ?Otello? where it got very favorable comments from other musicians and audience members. Then KY Opera changed staff, stopped hiring an extra trombonist for Italian operas, and gave the Cimbasso part to the tubist. Now you can gain from Ray?s loss! This horn has a euro shank (in between large and small shank trombone). Euro mouthpiece included - Cerveny ?3G?, PLUS *ONE,* your choice, from the following: n Bach 1 1/4 G (bass trombone) used n Bach 2G (bass trombone) used n Holton 1 1/2 G (bass trombone) used n Doug Elliot shank - custom bored out by Norm - should fit your Elliot mouthpiece upper (slightly used) n Tuba mouthpiece to be named later - custom shank-fit by Norm (used) *You may consider getting the shank changed to a large trombone or tuba shank, but it worked fine for me with the bored-out Doug Elliot shank and a 114- bass trombone upper.* This horn *barks* at *f *like a cimbasso should, and plays a rich low sound at *p*. Email Ray for the links to pictures, demo video and more information: *horton.raymond at gmail.com * New, the unimproved horn would cost you *$**2343.95*:(? 2.190,00) http://www.cerveny.biz/ventilposaune/cvt_571_4.php *IF* you can find it (Musician?s Friend lists it as ?currently unavailable" as of this writing) Other Cimbassi list on Hornguys.com for $9000 to $14000. Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com From gil.estes at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 22:33:55 2018 From: gil.estes at gmail.com (Gil Estes) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 23:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Here's that Rainy Day Message-ID: Looking for an arrangement of Here?s that Rainy Day for trombone octet or larger (similar in style to the Urbie Green 21 trombones recordings). Anyone have any suggestions? From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 6 09:14:50 2018 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:14:50 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/6/19 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 9:13 AM CDT on August 6, 2018. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. 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Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 20 08:18:30 2018 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/20/18 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 8:16 AM CDT on August 20, 2018. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From pcpettit at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 22:18:54 2018 From: pcpettit at gmail.com (Peter) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 23:18:54 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Original Schilke Trombone Message-ID: <6C7EEF7E-0C6F-4443-8684-53B6D80BB887@gmail.com> Hello Listers - Sometime back in the late 70s, Renn Schilke started thinking about trombones. To make a long story short (and to be honest, I don?t know that much about the story!), he built a handful of custom trombones. The first two were built for Gene Watt of the Canadian Brass, who came to Toledo in the Fall of 1979 for a concert. As I was playing in the Toledo Symphony at the time, I went went to the concert and afterwards introduced myself to Gene. Gene, being the consummate salesperson, insisted that I play his new, gold-plated custom-made Schilke trombone. I did and thought it was a dream of an instrument and decided that I needed to have one. The next day, I called Schilke and talked to Kerry Griffith, and arranged for them to put one together for me. It came to me with the serial number ?003? - I guess he had intended to make a bunch of them, but in the end, I think he finally produced five or six, and I believe Frank Crisafulli had at least one of them. I don?t know any of this for certain and maybe there are others who know something of the history here. The trombone is a large bore straight tenor - no f-attachment, and because Renn would never put lacquer on anything, it is silver plated. It is still in very good, if not excellent condition. I?ve played this instrument on and off over the years. Because its a bit of a lighter instrument, I did not use it much in the orchestra, preferring the sound of my Bach 42 there. But it was great for solo performances, in the brass quintet and for small chamber orchestras. I?ve also used it when playing second trombone for Mozart & Beethoven masses. Given that I?m no longer playing and it is something of a collector?s item, I?m thinking that I should try to find it a good home. So I?m curious to know if there is any interest out there for it? If so, please let me know off-list and we can discuss it further. If anyone knows more of the history of Schilke?s early foray into trombone production around this time, I?d enjoy hearing it and perhaps others in the list would be interested as well. Thanks very much! Peter Pettit PCPettit at gmail.com From georgebutler3rd at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 08:36:56 2018 From: georgebutler3rd at gmail.com (George Butler) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:36:56 +0300 Subject: [Trombone-l] Original Schilke Trombone In-Reply-To: <6C7EEF7E-0C6F-4443-8684-53B6D80BB887@gmail.com> References: <6C7EEF7E-0C6F-4443-8684-53B6D80BB887@gmail.com> Message-ID: Where's the "Like" button? :-) On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Peter via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Hello Listers - > > Sometime back in the late 70s, Renn Schilke started thinking about > trombones. To make a long story short (and to be honest, I don?t know that > much about the story!), he built a handful of custom trombones. The first > two were built for Gene Watt of the Canadian Brass, who came to Toledo in > the Fall of 1979 for a concert. As I was playing in the Toledo Symphony at > the time, I went went to the concert and afterwards introduced myself to > Gene. Gene, being the consummate salesperson, insisted that I play his > new, gold-plated custom-made Schilke trombone. I did and thought it was a > dream of an instrument and decided that I needed to have one. The next > day, I called Schilke and talked to Kerry Griffith, and arranged for them > to put one together for me. It came to me with the serial number ?003? - I > guess he had intended to make a bunch of them, but in the end, I think he > finally produced five or six, and I believe Frank Crisafulli had at least > one of them. I don?t know any of this for certain and maybe there are > others who know something of the history here. > > The trombone is a large bore straight tenor - no f-attachment, and because > Renn would never put lacquer on anything, it is silver plated. It is still > in very good, if not excellent condition. I?ve played this instrument on > and off over the years. Because its a bit of a lighter instrument, I did > not use it much in the orchestra, preferring the sound of my Bach 42 > there. But it was great for solo performances, in the brass quintet and > for small chamber orchestras. I?ve also used it when playing second > trombone for Mozart & Beethoven masses. Given that I?m no longer playing > and it is something of a collector?s item, I?m thinking that I should try > to find it a good home. > > So I?m curious to know if there is any interest out there for it? If so, > please let me know off-list and we can discuss it further. If anyone knows > more of the history of Schilke?s early foray into trombone production > around this time, I?d enjoy hearing it and perhaps others in the list would > be interested as well. > > Thanks very much! > > Peter Pettit > PCPettit at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From gil.estes at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:15:20 2018 From: gil.estes at gmail.com (Gil Estes) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Compact Practice Mute Message-ID: Practice Mute Question Hopefully not quite as much of a hot-topic as ?slide lubricant?, but here goes? About to do some traveling and want a nice, compact practice mute that will fit inside the bell while in the case. I have a Protec, and while it blows okay, the pitch is over 1/4-tone sharp (i.e. F sounds like a very flat F#). Any first hand observations on the Dennis Wick travel practice mute or other suggested that you?ve used? Ready?GO From art at awtriggs.com Thu Aug 23 13:22:11 2018 From: art at awtriggs.com (Art Triggs) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:22:11 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Compact Practice Mute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use the protec mute, but also use the Yamaha silent brass mute, the newer one sits flush with the edge of the bell so it can go in my case with no problems. Art Triggs On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 14:16 Gil Estes via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Practice Mute Question > > Hopefully not quite as much of a hot-topic as ?slide lubricant?, but here > goes? > > About to do some traveling and want a nice, compact practice mute that > will fit inside the bell while in the case. I have a Protec, and while it > blows okay, the pitch is over 1/4-tone sharp (i.e. F sounds like a very > flat F#). > > Any first hand observations on the Dennis Wick travel practice mute or > other suggested that you?ve used? > > Ready?GO > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > -- Art Triggs 914-819-8432 art at awtriggs.com www.awtriggs.com From pricetaylor at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 15:19:51 2018 From: pricetaylor at gmail.com (Price Taylor) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:19:51 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Compact Practice Mute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just got a huge LOL on Amazon. They have the Denis Wick practice mutes (both tenor and bass) but there's also a "subscribe and save" option. Meaning, you would get the same mute delivered to you every month. On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Art Triggs via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > I use the protec mute, but also use the Yamaha silent brass mute, the newer > one sits flush with the edge of the bell so it can go in my case with no > problems. > Art Triggs > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 14:16 Gil Estes via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > Practice Mute Question > > > > Hopefully not quite as much of a hot-topic as ?slide lubricant?, but here > > goes? > > > > About to do some traveling and want a nice, compact practice mute that > > will fit inside the bell while in the case. I have a Protec, and while it > > blows okay, the pitch is over 1/4-tone sharp (i.e. F sounds like a very > > flat F#). > > > > Any first hand observations on the Dennis Wick travel practice mute or > > other suggested that you?ve used? > > > > Ready?GO > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > -- > Art Triggs > 914-819-8432 > art at awtriggs.com > www.awtriggs.com > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From art at awtriggs.com Thu Aug 23 16:50:30 2018 From: art at awtriggs.com (Art Triggs) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:50:30 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Compact Practice Mute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perfect! Lmao On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 16:20 Price Taylor wrote: > I just got a huge LOL on Amazon. They have the Denis Wick practice mutes > (both tenor and bass) but there's also a "subscribe and save" option. > Meaning, you would get the same mute delivered to you every month. > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Art Triggs via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> I use the protec mute, but also use the Yamaha silent brass mute, the >> newer >> one sits flush with the edge of the bell so it can go in my case with no >> problems. >> Art Triggs >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 14:16 Gil Estes via Trombone-l < >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: >> >> > Practice Mute Question >> > >> > Hopefully not quite as much of a hot-topic as ?slide lubricant?, but >> here >> > goes? >> > >> > About to do some traveling and want a nice, compact practice mute that >> > will fit inside the bell while in the case. I have a Protec, and while >> it >> > blows okay, the pitch is over 1/4-tone sharp (i.e. F sounds like a very >> > flat F#). >> > >> > Any first hand observations on the Dennis Wick travel practice mute or >> > other suggested that you?ve used? >> > >> > Ready?GO >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Trombone-l mailing list >> > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > >> -- >> Art Triggs >> 914-819-8432 >> art at awtriggs.com >> www.awtriggs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > > -- Art Triggs 914-819-8432 art at awtriggs.com www.awtriggs.com From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 27 08:45:14 2018 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/27/18 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 8:43 AM CDT on August 27, 2018. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/