From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 7 00:27:34 2017 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 00:27:34 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/4/17 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 12:26 AM CDT on August 7, 2017. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From mh at janitsjar.net Fri Aug 11 07:09:51 2017 From: mh at janitsjar.net (=?utf-8?Q?Marius_Helg=C3=A5?=) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:09:51 +0200 Subject: [Trombone-l] Great commercial Message-ID: Today, the Oslo Jazz Festival starts here in Oslo. One of the festival sponsors is the Airport Express Train, who have made this great trombone/train crossover animation commercial: https://www.facebook.com/flytoget/videos/1690282901001613/ Text in the animation says ?You can improvise freely ?because we never do? Have a nice weekend all! Marius Helg? Bass Trombone Oslo/Mo i Rana, Norway From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 14 05:39:36 2017 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 05:39:36 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/14/17 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 5:37 AM CDT on August 14, 2017. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From gil.estes at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 23:15:33 2017 From: gil.estes at gmail.com (Gil Estes) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 00:15:33 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Digital Method Books Message-ID: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978@gmail.com> With everything going digital these days, I have been moving almost exclusively onto my iPad for gigs, etc. I?m past the point where I?m going to use all my old method books from college, but some I would like to still use, such as Bordogni 1, 2 & 3, Tyrell, Arban?s, etc. What I don?t want to do is violate copyright by scanning them in. Does anyone know where to purchase PDF versions that can be used with a program like ForScore? From JHauser at tntech.edu Sun Aug 20 13:16:29 2017 From: JHauser at tntech.edu (Hauser, Joshua) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:16:29 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81A3D2ED-C245-4ABF-B23A-939F9DB31B13@tntech.edu> Qpress seems to pretty much have the market cornered on digital versions of method books for now. https://qpress.ca/product-category/trombone/ They have the Rochut books at https://qpress.ca/product/rochut-melodious-etudes-volumes-1-2-3-pdf-download/ ______________________________________________ Joshua Hauser Professor of Trombone School of Music Box 5045 1150 N. Dixie Avenue Bryan Fine Arts Building Cookeville, TN 38505 P 931/372-6086 E jhauser at tntech.edu www.tntech.edu/music sites.tntech.edu/jhauser Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use, dissemination, printing or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete it from your computer system and contact the sender at the above address and/or telephone number. On 8/20/17, 1:00 PM, "Trombone-l on behalf of trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org" wrote: Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l at trombonelist.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner at trombonelist.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Digital Method Books (Gil Estes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 00:15:33 -0400 From: Gil Estes To: List Trombone Subject: [Trombone-l] Digital Method Books Message-ID: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 With everything going digital these days, I have been moving almost exclusively onto my iPad for gigs, etc. I?m past the point where I?m going to use all my old method books from college, but some I would like to still use, such as Bordogni 1, 2 & 3, Tyrell, Arban?s, etc. What I don?t want to do is violate copyright by scanning them in. Does anyone know where to purchase PDF versions that can be used with a program like ForScore? ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org ------------------------------ End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 **************************************** From drbach6 at aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:53:54 2017 From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda Landis) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:53:54 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <81A3D2ED-C245-4ABF-B23A-939F9DB31B13@tntech.edu> References: <81A3D2ED-C245-4ABF-B23A-939F9DB31B13@tntech.edu> Message-ID: <39C0CD19-B311-42D6-9C04-DBD5FD253337@aol.com> Yep. He's been digitizing a lot of good Method books. Linda Landis Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > On Aug 20, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Hauser, Joshua via Trombone-l wrote: > > Qpress seems to pretty much have the market cornered on digital versions of method books for now. https://qpress.ca/product-category/trombone/ > > They have the Rochut books at https://qpress.ca/product/rochut-melodious-etudes-volumes-1-2-3-pdf-download/ > > ______________________________________________ > > Joshua Hauser > Professor of Trombone > School of Music > Box 5045 > 1150 N. Dixie Avenue > Bryan Fine Arts Building > Cookeville, TN 38505 > P 931/372-6086 > E jhauser at tntech.edu > www.tntech.edu/music > sites.tntech.edu/jhauser > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use, dissemination, printing or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete it from your computer system and contact the sender at the above address and/or telephone number. > > On 8/20/17, 1:00 PM, "Trombone-l on behalf of trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org" wrote: > > Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to > trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trombone-l-owner at trombonelist.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Digital Method Books (Gil Estes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 00:15:33 -0400 > From: Gil Estes > To: List Trombone > Subject: [Trombone-l] Digital Method Books > Message-ID: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > With everything going digital these days, I have been moving almost exclusively onto my iPad for gigs, etc. > > I?m past the point where I?m going to use all my old method books from college, but some I would like to still use, such as Bordogni 1, 2 & 3, Tyrell, Arban?s, etc. What I don?t want to do is violate copyright by scanning them in. Does anyone know where to purchase PDF versions that can be used with a program like ForScore? > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 > **************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From pricetaylor at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 17:32:13 2017 From: pricetaylor at gmail.com (Price Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:32:13 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Digital Method Books In-Reply-To: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978@gmail.com> References: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gil, my guess is no. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in. Price On Aug 19, 2017 9:16 PM, "Gil Estes via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > With everything going digital these days, I have been moving almost > exclusively onto my iPad for gigs, etc. > > I?m past the point where I?m going to use all my old method books from > college, but some I would like to still use, such as Bordogni 1, 2 & 3, > Tyrell, Arban?s, etc. What I don?t want to do is violate copyright by > scanning them in. Does anyone know where to purchase PDF versions that can > be used with a program like ForScore? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From horton.raymond at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 21:16:31 2017 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Digital Method Books In-Reply-To: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978@gmail.com> References: <16E1E45D-340F-450C-84D2-C73A376BE978@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is an old treble clef Arban's book on imslp.org On Aug 20, 2017 12:16 AM, "Gil Estes via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > With everything going digital these days, I have been moving almost > exclusively onto my iPad for gigs, etc. > > I?m past the point where I?m going to use all my old method books from > college, but some I would like to still use, such as Bordogni 1, 2 & 3, > Tyrell, Arban?s, etc. What I don?t want to do is violate copyright by > scanning them in. Does anyone know where to purchase PDF versions that can > be used with a program like ForScore? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 21 06:42:17 2017 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 06:42:17 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/21/17 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 6:41 AM CDT on August 21, 2017. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. NEVER send payment by Western Union, Money Gram or other wire services or bank transfer!!!! If the prospective buyer or seller uses the terms MoneyGram, Western Union, courier, or "pick-up agent," it is a SCAM. Most scams involve an inquiry from someone wanting you to take a cashier's check or money order and quite often a badly-worded request to buy your item. Most of these e-mails show no knowledge of what they are buying. Be sure to get phone numbers, check references - take care when buying and selling online! If you have been victimized, you can contact the FTC toll-free at 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357) or use the complaint form at www.ftc.gov, or contact your local law enforcement agency. For additional information, please visit the OTJ Classifieds FAQ at: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp Remember - if the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris at trombone.org. Chris Waage -- OTJ Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/ From musicmanf7 at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 11:18:25 2017 From: musicmanf7 at gmail.com (Jay Sheridan) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:18:25 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones Message-ID: List - I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and have been out of the teaching field for the last 5. My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best place to purchase. I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the prices seem to be for beginner quality instruments. Thanks in advance! Jay Sheridan From horton.raymond at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 12:36:46 2017 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Used brass, pBone On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > List - > > I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and have > been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > > My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > > What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best place > to purchase. > > I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the prices > seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > > Thanks in advance! > > Jay Sheridan > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From beldon.wade at comcast.net Mon Aug 21 13:32:26 2017 From: beldon.wade at comcast.net (beldon wade) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:32:26 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90F7D73A-8B95-410A-8471-27F57BBDFA08@comcast.net> Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l wrote: > > Used brass, pBone > > On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> List - >> >> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and have >> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. >> >> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. >> >> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best place >> to purchase. >> >> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the prices >> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Jay Sheridan >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From drbach6 at aol.com Mon Aug 21 13:41:19 2017 From: drbach6 at aol.com (Linda Landis) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:41:19 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: <90F7D73A-8B95-410A-8471-27F57BBDFA08@comcast.net> References: <90F7D73A-8B95-410A-8471-27F57BBDFA08@comcast.net> Message-ID: I see a lot of Yamaha and Getzen beginner models these days. Local music stores have some decent rent to own plans. Make sure if you rent a used one, it's a "good one"with a slide that works. Linda Landis Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, beldon wade via Trombone-l wrote: > > Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of > High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l wrote: >> >> Used brass, pBone >> >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: >> >>> List - >>> >>> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and have >>> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. >>> >>> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. >>> >>> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best place >>> to purchase. >>> >>> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the prices >>> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Jay Sheridan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trombone-l mailing list >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From pricetaylor at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 13:55:23 2017 From: pricetaylor at gmail.com (Price Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:55:23 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: References: <90F7D73A-8B95-410A-8471-27F57BBDFA08@comcast.net> Message-ID: eBay or local Craigslist. On Aug 21, 2017 11:42 AM, "Linda Landis via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > I see a lot of Yamaha and Getzen beginner models these days. Local music > stores have some decent rent to own plans. Make sure if you rent a used > one, it's a "good one"with a slide that works. > > Linda Landis > Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony > Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > > > > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, beldon wade via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of > > High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >> Used brass, pBone > >> > >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >>> List - > >>> > >>> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and > have > >>> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > >>> > >>> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > >>> > >>> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best > place > >>> to purchase. > >>> > >>> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the > prices > >>> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> Jay Sheridan > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Trombone-l mailing list > >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From musicmanf7 at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 13:55:53 2017 From: musicmanf7 at gmail.com (Jay Sheridan) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:55:53 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: References: <90F7D73A-8B95-410A-8471-27F57BBDFA08@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thank you to all the responses so far. My concern with the pBone is how other students will treat him (with a plastic instrument). I don't want a rent to own program as it becomes very expensive, and if he does change his mind, I will just keep it for myself. Does anyone have experience with Allora? I know that some brands had moved up in quality over the past several years, but don't want a Chinese made horn either. Thanks! Please keep opinions coming! Jay On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 2:42 PM Linda Landis via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > I see a lot of Yamaha and Getzen beginner models these days. Local music > stores have some decent rent to own plans. Make sure if you rent a used > one, it's a "good one"with a slide that works. > > Linda Landis > Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony > Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > > > > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, beldon wade via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of > > High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >> Used brass, pBone > >> > >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >>> List - > >>> > >>> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and > have > >>> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > >>> > >>> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > >>> > >>> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best > place > >>> to purchase. > >>> > >>> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the > prices > >>> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> Jay Sheridan > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Trombone-l mailing list > >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From horton.raymond at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 14:14:47 2017 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:14:47 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: References: <90F7D73A-8B95-410A-8471-27F57BBDFA08@comcast.net> Message-ID: Okay, but the biggest advantage of the pbone is the slide, which may not be great to start with but never gets any worse! I accidentally what's my pBone slide slip underneath a heavy wooden chair leg with my heavy 200 lb body on the chair, and it was fine. A brass slide would have been flattened for good! Beginners are rough on slides, as a rule. On Aug 21, 2017 1:56 PM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Thank you to all the responses so far. > > My concern with the pBone is how other students will treat him (with a > plastic instrument). > > I don't want a rent to own program as it becomes very expensive, and if he > does change his mind, I will just keep it for myself. > > Does anyone have experience with Allora? I know that some brands had moved > up in quality over the past several years, but don't want a Chinese made > horn either. > > Thanks! Please keep opinions coming! > > Jay > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 2:42 PM Linda Landis via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > I see a lot of Yamaha and Getzen beginner models these days. Local music > > stores have some decent rent to own plans. Make sure if you rent a used > > one, it's a "good one"with a slide that works. > > > > Linda Landis > > Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony > > Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, beldon wade via Trombone-l < > > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > > > Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of > > > High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> Used brass, pBone > > >> > > >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > > >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > >> > > >>> List - > > >>> > > >>> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and > > have > > >>> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > > >>> > > >>> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > > >>> > > >>> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best > > place > > >>> to purchase. > > >>> > > >>> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the > > prices > > >>> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks in advance! > > >>> > > >>> Jay Sheridan > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Trombone-l mailing list > > >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Trombone-l mailing list > > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trombone-l mailing list > > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From horton.raymond at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 22:23:16 2017 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:23:16 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jay Sheridan is the one looking. Thanks On Aug 21, 2017 8:42 PM, "Toddbonester" wrote: > Ray, > I have two very good used tenor trombones for your consideration: > King Cleveland Superior/H.N. White. All original, great hard case. The > family rep for H.N. White told me a fair asking price would be $200.00, but > I would be okay with $175.00 if the buyer pays shipping. I'm in PA. > The second horn is a York Artist. The slide is near perfect. A few small > dings on the bell section (easily removed, if desired). The original case > is very sturdy and shows minimal wear. Asking $175.00 plus shipping. Both > horns include their original mouthpieces and music lyres. > Thanks, > Todd > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > Used brass, pBone > > > > On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > >> List - > >> > >> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and have > >> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > >> > >> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > >> > >> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best > place > >> to purchase. > >> > >> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the prices > >> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > >> > >> Thanks in advance! > >> > >> Jay Sheridan > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From patrickwbates at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 22 03:54:36 2017 From: patrickwbates at yahoo.ca (patrickwbates) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 04:54:36 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones Message-ID: <8obxgiwjcf63nqsg5m1btens.1503392076260@email.android.com> I'd check pawn shops and thrift stores too... bought my son a serviceable king 606 for fifty bucks at a pawn shop last year. Bought a new case for it and still didnt have a lot of money in it. Maybe goodwill.com and eBay? ?Not a lot of bargains left on ebay though. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Price Taylor via Trombone-l Date: 08-21-2017 2:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Linda Landis Cc: trombone-l at trombonelist.org Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones eBay or local Craigslist. On Aug 21, 2017 11:42 AM, "Linda Landis via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > I see a lot of Yamaha and Getzen beginner models these days. Local music > stores have some decent rent to own plans. Make sure if you rent a used > one, it's a "good one"with a slide that works. > > Linda Landis > Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony > Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > > > > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, beldon wade via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of > > High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >> Used brass, pBone > >> > >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >>> List - > >>> > >>> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and > have > >>> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > >>> > >>> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > >>> > >>> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best > place > >>> to purchase. > >>> > >>> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the > prices > >>> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> Jay Sheridan > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Trombone-l mailing list > >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From studer_je at hotmail.com Tue Aug 22 11:47:51 2017 From: studer_je at hotmail.com (Jon Studer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:47:51 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones In-Reply-To: <8obxgiwjcf63nqsg5m1btens.1503392076260@email.android.com> References: <8obxgiwjcf63nqsg5m1btens.1503392076260@email.android.com> Message-ID: I can't speak highly enough about Mack Brass. I bought a bass from them several years ago and its been rock solid. http://www.mackbrass.com They have a tenor with f attachment for $595.00. http://www.mackbrass.com/MACK-TB810L.php I've never taught so I have no clue if having an f attachment is a good idea for a beginner. just my $0.02. -Jon ________________________________ From: Trombone-l on behalf of patrickwbates via Trombone-l Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:54:36 AM Cc: trombone-l at trombonelist.org Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones I'd check pawn shops and thrift stores too... bought my son a serviceable king 606 for fifty bucks at a pawn shop last year. Bought a new case for it and still didnt have a lot of money in it. Maybe goodwill.com and eBay? Not a lot of bargains left on ebay though. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Price Taylor via Trombone-l Date: 08-21-2017 2:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Linda Landis Cc: trombone-l at trombonelist.org Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Beginner Trombones eBay or local Craigslist. On Aug 21, 2017 11:42 AM, "Linda Landis via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > I see a lot of Yamaha and Getzen beginner models these days. Local music > stores have some decent rent to own plans. Make sure if you rent a used > one, it's a "good one"with a slide that works. > > Linda Landis > Lead Trombone, Columbus Jazz Orchestra/Sub Columbus Symphony > Orchestra/Musical Director Jazz Central Big Band/Private Instructor > > > > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, beldon wade via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > Used bundy or check local rental providing instruments to regions of > > High schools. J W Pepper is one on our area in Indiana. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 21, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Raymond Horton via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >> Used brass, pBone > >> > >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:19 AM, "Jay Sheridan via Trombone-l" < > >> trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >> > >>> List - > >>> > >>> I have not been around beginner instruments for about 10 years, and > have > >>> been out of the teaching field for the last 5. > >>> > >>> My son wants to play trombone in beginning band this year. > >>> > >>> What are good but not overly expensive beginner brands, and the best > place > >>> to purchase. > >>> > >>> I have done some looking online and was surprised at how high the > prices > >>> seem to be for beginner quality instruments. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>> Jay Sheridan > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Trombone-l mailing list > >>> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >>> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From ervint at email.arizona.edu Tue Aug 22 17:01:30 2017 From: ervint at email.arizona.edu (Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint)) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:01:30 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Message-ID: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > Tom Ervin > ervint at u.arizona.edu > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) > (520) 743-5062 > website: tom-ervin.com From jobriant at garlic.com Tue Aug 22 17:19:40 2017 From: jobriant at garlic.com (Jim O'Briant) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <01e501d31b94$bfb1d9d0$3f158d70$@garlic.com> Tom Ervin wrote, > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really > lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. I started in June of 1957 on a 1947 Martin Indiana trombone with a Bach mouthpiece. Don't remember the mouthpiece size, but then what fifth grader pays attention to that? The bore was pretty small.... It was used, and my parents bought it from the parents of a student who had just graduated from High School that year, and who didn't intend to continue playing in college. I held onto that instrument until the 1970's, and finally traded it in, along with 3 or 4 other instruments, to buy a King 3-B Silversonic with F attachment. Jim O'Briant Gilroy, CA Conductor / Staff Arranger The Pacific Brass Band www.PacificBrassBand.org From rc750 at live.com Tue Aug 22 17:20:41 2017 From: rc750 at live.com (Roger Carmichael) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:20:41 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Started with a used silver Holton straight tenor. One of the inner slides was loose and I used bubble gum to hold it in place. Local music shop "didn't know how to fix it" but were quick to sell my mom and dad a new Olds Ambassador after I struggled with the Holton for a year. Even took the Holton in on trade for the same price mom paid for it. ________________________________ From: Trombone-l on behalf of Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:01 PM To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > Tom Ervin > ervint at u.arizona.edu > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) > (520) 743-5062 > website: tom-ervin.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From harlan at feinsteins.net Tue Aug 22 17:29:33 2017 From: harlan at feinsteins.net (Harlan Feinstein) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:29:33 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. Think I had an Olds Ambassador too, someone's backup instrument that I traded my backup trumpet for. A different sort of startup on an instrument, already having played other brass instruments professionally, but learned trombone in a trad jazz band, which is a pretty forgiving environment to cut one's teeth in. --Harlan From basstrb3 at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 17:42:21 2017 From: basstrb3 at gmail.com (Philip Brink) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:42:21 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: I haven't seen anything like my first horn, a "stencil horn" from the local music house... which went out of business. Considering the quality of the horn I had, I'm not that surprised. Apparently there are companies which make "blank" horns which the store then puts their name or brand on [hence stencil horn!] Got me started, at least; after that I got a good horn, a Conn 10H, which lasted me into college. The first horn still worked for me from age 10 to 18. On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Harlan Feinstein via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > Think I had an Olds Ambassador too, someone's backup instrument that I > traded my backup trumpet for. A different sort of startup on an > instrument, already having played other brass instruments professionally, > but learned trombone in a trad jazz band, which is a pretty forgiving > environment to cut one's teeth in. > > --Harlan > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > -- Philip Brink Instructor of Trombone, retired College of Music, Mahidol University Low Brass principal, Thailand Philharmonic, retired From horton.raymond at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 18:01:06 2017 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:01:06 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: I started trombone on a horn that cost me $12.50. it was so ugly I wouldn't play it anywhere in public. The slide was actually not bad though! On Aug 22, 2017 6:02 PM, "Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > > Tom Ervin > > ervint at u.arizona.edu > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) > > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) > > (520) 743-5062 > > website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From ervint at email.arizona.edu Tue Aug 22 17:36:58 2017 From: ervint at email.arizona.edu (Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint)) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:36:58 +0000 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: I did expect this would be interesting to many of us here. If teachers gave students a clarinet or trumpet to beginners, in such bad shape as my first trombone, they?d all quit, or they?d all go straight to the shop. Mine was just awful. And of course roach eggs in the case?. Tom Ervin Tom Ervin ervint at u.arizona.edu Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) (520) 743-5062 website: tom-ervin.com From beldon.wade at comcast.net Tue Aug 22 18:16:15 2017 From: beldon.wade at comcast.net (beldon wade) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:16:15 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Had one of those blanks to begin. Cost was $25.00. It was graves with name. "Paragon". Replace it with Conn beginner called Pan American. After 10 years I retired it with inners worn thru and laquer worn away. Not bad for $115.00. 1947 dollars. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Harlan Feinstein via Trombone-l wrote: >> >> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy >> instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > Think I had an Olds Ambassador too, someone's backup instrument that I > traded my backup trumpet for. A different sort of startup on an > instrument, already having played other brass instruments professionally, > but learned trombone in a trad jazz band, which is a pretty forgiving > environment to cut one's teeth in. > > --Harlan > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From jfbermann at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 18:32:10 2017 From: jfbermann at gmail.com (Jim Bermann) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <0AF416F2-8455-42E8-B81B-67F5CB642838@gmail.com> A King 2-B from Nappe Music House, Chicago. Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Philip Brink via Trombone-l wrote: > > I haven't seen anything like my first horn, a "stencil horn" from the local > music house... which went out of business. Considering the quality of the > horn I had, I'm not that surprised. Apparently there are companies which > make "blank" horns which the store then puts their name or brand on [hence > stencil horn!] Got me started, at least; after that I got a good horn, a > Conn 10H, which lasted me into college. The first horn still worked for me > from age 10 to 18. > > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Harlan Feinstein via Trombone-l < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > >>> >>> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy >>> instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. >> >> >> Think I had an Olds Ambassador too, someone's backup instrument that I >> traded my backup trumpet for. A different sort of startup on an >> instrument, already having played other brass instruments professionally, >> but learned trombone in a trad jazz band, which is a pretty forgiving >> environment to cut one's teeth in. >> >> --Harlan >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> > > > > -- > Philip Brink > Instructor of Trombone, retired > College of Music, Mahidol University > Low Brass principal, Thailand Philharmonic, retired > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From eric at proinstrumentrepair.com Tue Aug 22 18:33:17 2017 From: eric at proinstrumentrepair.com (Eric Edwards) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:33:17 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <1f5833a6-55f4-bccb-79d0-fc1ed52d981b@proinstrumentrepair.com> I started on a used King 606 rented,? this was in '76. Then for Christmas in '78,? I got a new 4B that I still have & LOVE!! Eric Eric Edwards Professional Instrument Repair 972.795.5784 "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried yet." "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud." -Sophocles On 8/22/2017 5:01 PM, Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l wrote: > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > >> Tom Ervin >> ervint at u.arizona.edu >> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) >> ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) >> (520) 743-5062 >> website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > From andy.fugate at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 19:34:57 2017 From: andy.fugate at gmail.com (Andy.Fugate) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <1f5833a6-55f4-bccb-79d0-fc1ed52d981b@proinstrumentrepair.com> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> <1f5833a6-55f4-bccb-79d0-fc1ed52d981b@proinstrumentrepair.com> Message-ID: <4ADBF995-CAB3-459B-AC15-62EC8569DDF6@gmail.com> Beater Bundy as a store rental. But after one year my parents rewarded me with a brand new King 3BF. I still have it after all these years, but now our daughter plays it. (Along with every other horn I own including my Duo Gravis. ?) -- Andy in OKC Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Eric Edwards via Trombone-l wrote: > > I started on a used King 606 rented, this was in '76. > > Then for Christmas in '78, I got a new 4B that I still have & LOVE!! > > > Eric > > > Eric Edwards > Professional Instrument Repair > 972.795.5784 > > > > "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" > "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" > "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried yet." > "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud." -Sophocles > >> On 8/22/2017 5:01 PM, Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l wrote: >> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. >> >> >>> Tom Ervin >>> ervint at u.arizona.edu >>> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) >>> ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) >>> (520) 743-5062 >>> website: tom-ervin.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From emrose79 at sonic.net Tue Aug 22 20:02:53 2017 From: emrose79 at sonic.net (Edward Rosenbaum) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <4ADBF995-CAB3-459B-AC15-62EC8569DDF6@gmail.com> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> <1f5833a6-55f4-bccb-79d0-fc1ed52d981b@proinstrumentrepair.com> <4ADBF995-CAB3-459B-AC15-62EC8569DDF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <031001d31bab$8cadbbf0$a60933d0$@sonic.net> My first instrument in 5th grade (ca 1962) was a 20ish year old "retired" professional trumpet that my father obtained from a local pro. Oh, you said trombone... That would be a school Besson 6H. When I was talked into bass trombone, I bought a King Symphony Bass from another local pro. He needed it back, so he traded it for a 1961 Olds Recording w/F, and a King 2B slide. I still have it, although she's retired. When the Duo Gravis came out, I got (supposedly) one of the first 10 prototypes that were given to music stores to sell. I still have that one, although she's also retired. So, as I can't afford an M & W, I'll stick to my Bach 50A3... Ed -----Original Message----- From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf Of Andy.Fugate via Trombone-l Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 17:35 To: Eric Edwards Cc: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org; Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Beater Bundy as a store rental. But after one year my parents rewarded me with a brand new King 3BF. I still have it after all these years, but now our daughter plays it. (Along with every other horn I own including my Duo Gravis. ?) -- Andy in OKC Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Eric Edwards via Trombone-l wrote: > > I started on a used King 606 rented, this was in '76. > > Then for Christmas in '78, I got a new 4B that I still have & LOVE!! > > > Eric > > > Eric Edwards > Professional Instrument Repair > 972.795.5784 > > > > "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has faded" > "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he speaks" > "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried yet." > "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud." -Sophocles > >> On 8/22/2017 5:01 PM, Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l wrote: >> Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. >> >> >>> Tom Ervin >>> ervint at u.arizona.edu >>> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering >>> trombone player... ; >) >>> (520) 743-5062 >>> website: tom-ervin.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l at trombonelist.org >> http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From tromfoolery at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 22:03:39 2017 From: tromfoolery at gmail.com (Fred Hudson) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:03:39 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: I started on a used American Standard which was the entry level horn from H.N White. Traded it for a used Holton Model 63. When I trashed the slide I traded for a "Stagger-Wing" Buescher which had the narrow-ist slide imaginable. In 1950 I bought a King 2B which i still have - Great Horn! Fred H Blue Ridge Bones Asheville Community Band On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > > Tom Ervin > > ervint at u.arizona.edu > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) > > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) > > (520) 743-5062 > > website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From sable at cantus.us Tue Aug 22 23:39:45 2017 From: sable at cantus.us (Sable Cantus) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:39:45 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] [FILTERED-UNSURE] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: A friend gave me his Old's Ambassador. It was in poor shape. The slide barely moved, and I thought covering it in cream would make it better. I complained about that horn but still took it to college with me. Doubled on it with Euphonium. One day I was griping, as teens do, about how I would play better if I had a better horn. My teacher Stu played the passage on the horn in tune with a good tone. He said, "the slide could use some work." :-) > On Aug 22, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l wrote: > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. From howard at sci1.com Wed Aug 23 01:28:09 2017 From: howard at sci1.com (Howard Spindel) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:28:09 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <8ea0cf09-b717-56d2-b20c-8feadc748758@sci1.com> My first horn, circa 1961, was a Conn 4H that was a reconditioned school horn.? Yes, silver, with some corrosion, although the reconditioning made it a decent horn.? Cost my parents $25. A couple years later I got a used Conn 6H which was in better shape.? Still have it.? Lots of Connwear on the tubes but it plays nicely. Howard On 8/22/2017 3:01 PM, Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l wrote: > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > >> Tom Ervin >> ervint at u.arizona.edu >> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) >> ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) >> (520) 743-5062 >> website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > From mh at janitsjar.net Wed Aug 23 02:08:03 2017 From: mh at janitsjar.net (=?utf-8?Q?Marius_Helg=C3=A5?=) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:08:03 +0200 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <8A1C8D7D-CF77-4335-9CEE-B1FE7AEFC26A@janitsjar.net> My first one (ca 1987) was a Blessing I guess was between 15 and 20 years old at the time, with its share of dents and scratches, but an OK slide and not too bad lacquer. Later got a Bach 36B, then a 50B, then a 50BO, and then bought my first horn in 1996, a used Holton TR181. Used the Holton until 2012 (Had to get a new slide for it around 2002), bought a custom Shires in 2012, it was stolen, and I got a new Shires from the insurance money in 2016. Guess I?d get frustrated really quick if I tried playing the old Blessing now. Maybe I should contact my old school band and ask if I can try it. Marius Helg? Bass trombone Oslo/Mo i Rana, Norway > 23. aug. 2017 kl. 00.01 skrev Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l : > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > >> Tom Ervin >> ervint at u.arizona.edu >> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) >> ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) >> (520) 743-5062 >> website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From patrickwbates at yahoo.ca Wed Aug 23 04:45:39 2017 From: patrickwbates at yahoo.ca (Patrick Bates) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? References: <796247262.401646.1503481539802.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <796247262.401646.1503481539802@mail.yahoo.com> First horn (in high school) was a conn director, vague memories of not a terrible horn. Moved up to a conn 50H, also a school horn. Near the end of high school bought my first horn , a Bach 42 I still have. Absolutely amazed at the difference, made me do a lot of practicing for a few years. Fabulous horn. Still have it about 40 years later... bought another dozen or so in the last 15 years when I started playing again, from a Duo gravis to a Jupiter soprano. King 3B is my go to horn now, but still play the 42 when I need a valve. > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > >> Tom Ervin >> ervint at u.arizona.edu >> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) >> ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) >> (520) 743-5062 >> website:? ? tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From larryl595 at aol.com Wed Aug 23 08:54:43 2017 From: larryl595 at aol.com (larryl595 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:54:43 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <796247262.401646.1503481539802@mail.yahoo.com> References: <796247262.401646.1503481539802.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <796247262.401646.1503481539802@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15e0f5fb11f-c0b-67a8@webjas-vac247.srv.aolmail.net> I don't remember the loaner that I used in high school, but the first horn that I bought in 1960 upon graduation was a "Dovel 87122" (I still have the receipt!) for $90 from Levitt & Elrod on 72nd St. in Manhattan. I picked out an unlabeled mouthpiece from a box that I thought looked nice! I didn't do much until 1976 when I started taking lessons from Charlie Baker (NJ symphony) and he sold it to another student for me for $75, I then moved up to a Yamaha YSL-651 bought during a closeout for $150. It was seriously abused by my grandson in middle school, but I had it resurrected by Dillon Music and its in amazingly good shape. I still use it on occasion along with my Conn 88H. Larry Lerner -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bates via Trombone-l To: Trombone-l Sent: Wed, Aug 23, 2017 5:47 am Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? First horn (in high school) was a conn director, vague memories of not a terrible horn. Moved up to a conn 50H, also a school horn. Near the end of high school bought my first horn , a Bach 42 I still have. Absolutely amazed at the difference, made me do a lot of practicing for a few years. Fabulous horn. Still have it about 40 years later... bought another dozen or so in the last 15 years when I started playing again, from a Duo gravis to a Jupiter soprano. King 3B is my go to horn now, but still play the 42 when I need a valve. > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > >> Tom Ervin >> ervint at u.arizona.edu >> Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) >> ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) >> (520) 743-5062 >> website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org _______________________________________________Trombone-l mailing listTrombone-l at trombonelist.orghttp://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From pricetaylor at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 10:12:17 2017 From: pricetaylor at gmail.com (Price Taylor) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:12:17 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Message-ID: FIrst trombone, King Cleveland. Lightly used and good condition, in 5th grade in 1969. Bequeathed it to my high school for marching band use before graduating. Not a bad first instrument, IMO! Price Taylor From gil.estes at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 10:57:04 2017 From: gil.estes at gmail.com (Gil Estes) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:57:04 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] JJ Johnson Reflections Message-ID: <6AFEC428-9A8B-4CD1-B432-14FC2E4FA55A@gmail.com> Does anyone know where I can find a full transcription of JJ Johnson & Kai Winding?s ?Reflections?? Would love to get a look at that?very cool stuff. From ddsbstrb at woh.rr.com Wed Aug 23 13:00:21 2017 From: ddsbstrb at woh.rr.com (Denny Seifried) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:00:21 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <000701d31c39$b0925510$11b6ff30$@woh.rr.com> List Members....It is, indeed, great to see the list come alive once again. As I was telling Tom, in a reply to the first instrument topic, my first trombone was, sadly, not a "real" trombone, but, I purchased a very nice Conn 5G valve bone. I picked this up around 1959, while I was a junior in Findlay (OH) High School, with money I earned in giging around on string bass. At that time, I was a tuba/string bass player and only had dreams and aspirations to be a trombone/bass trombone player, someday in the future. Those of you in my generation will remember those Conn Elkhart 5G's were actually a Conn Elkhart 6H bell section, a 5G valve section, and an optional Conn 6H slide section. The case was built to contain all three sections! Unfortunately, mine did not include the optional 6H slide section. I took the valve-bone with me to Bowling Green State Univ. in the fall of 1960; and, we found our way into the BGSU "underground" big band. In those days, you had to operate a big band in deep cover from the chair of the department! Around my junior year, I really had the "itch" to learn how to function on the......slide. While taking a walk to downtown Bowling Green, I had to pass Bigelow's Music Store. The owner, Jack Bigelow, was also a trombonist; so, I went in and asked Jack if he might have a used, Conn slide, which might fit my 6H bell. He went into the back a brought out a slightly used Conn 4H slide section. It fit the bell nut; but, I didn't realize at the time, it wasn't a .500 bore like the proper 6H slide. I surely didn't care, and began playing with the help of my best friend from BGSU, the late Frank North. Eventually, I switched my tuba lessons to trombone, and, began to study with Dave Glasmire. Sadly, I traded that Conn bell and slide section in on a 1964 King 3B, which took me through a lot of playing until I got into bass trombone playing in 1970. Sadly, I sold that King to a student, which I regret even today! This was a King with the small, counterbalance, before they went to the larger, black, weight. Maybe we need to start a thread on good/great trombone which were traded-off or sold; and, like a fool, you regret to this day. Have a great day! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Sym., Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Jazz Central Big Band Bb Tuba-Ohio Valley British Brass Band, Western Ohio Tuba Quartet Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music -----Original Message----- From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf Of Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > Tom Ervin > ervint at u.arizona.edu > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone > player... ; >) > (520) 743-5062 > website: tom-ervin.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From horton.raymond at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 13:29:08 2017 From: horton.raymond at gmail.com (Raymond Horton) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:29:08 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <000701d31c39$b0925510$11b6ff30$@woh.rr.com> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> <000701d31c39$b0925510$11b6ff30$@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: I don't have any horns that I wish I hadn't sold, but I once passed up a bargain that will drive many of you crazy. When I was a sophomore in high school, which would have been 1967 or 68, I was teaching a freshman girl trombone lessons occasionally, and I am pretty sure she had a crush on me. I did not own a trombone at the time, I was playing euphonium, and she knew I was looking for a "bass trombone". (I was quite uninformed at the time, and I thought that was the term for any trombone with an F attachment.) My student called me up one day, and told me she had been checking the classified ads and found a pawn shop that had a "bass trombone, $100" but warned me that, when she called the shop about it, the owner could not confirm that it had an F attachment, he said it was just "bigger than all the others". My parents took us both down to see it, and it turned out to be a Conn 8H! I wiped off the slide oil and put slide cream and water on it, and it played just fine. However, I did not know that this was a tremendous bargain, and a tremendous horn (ignorance!) and was so focused on an F attachment that I passed it up. (The store owner, who had looked at me very suspiciously when I was cleaning the slide, wiped it all off and put oil on it again and put it back in the case.) If I had bought it, I think my career would have been much different, as I actually think I would have done much better on tenor trombone then I did on bass! But just over three years later, I auditioned for bass trombone in the Louisville Orchestra. I got it at a very key time in my life, as I was extremely concerned about money at the time. Second trombone was also open, but we had a guy from Curtis audition for that, and I never would have beat him. And So It Goes, little decisions in life have big impact later. I hope this wasn't too much off topic, and might have been of interest to some of you. I actually appreciate being able to relate the story to an audience that would really understand! (I would like to go back and buy that 8H for 100 bucks, but it might not fit in the DeLorean.) On Aug 23, 2017 2:01 PM, "Denny Seifried via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > List Members....It is, indeed, great to see the list come alive once again. > As I was telling Tom, in a reply to the first instrument topic, my first > trombone was, sadly, not a "real" trombone, but, I purchased a very nice > Conn 5G valve bone. I picked this up around 1959, while I was a junior in > Findlay (OH) High School, with money I earned in giging around on string > bass. At that time, I was a tuba/string bass player and only had dreams and > aspirations to be a trombone/bass trombone player, someday in the future. > > Those of you in my generation will remember those Conn Elkhart 5G's were > actually a Conn Elkhart 6H bell section, a 5G valve section, and an > optional > Conn 6H slide section. The case was built to contain all three sections! > Unfortunately, mine did not include the optional 6H slide section. I took > the valve-bone with me to Bowling Green State Univ. in the fall of 1960; > and, we found our way into the BGSU "underground" big band. In those days, > you had to operate a big band in deep cover from the chair of the > department! Around my junior year, I really had the "itch" to learn how to > function on the......slide. While taking a walk to downtown Bowling Green, > I > had to pass Bigelow's Music Store. The owner, Jack Bigelow, was also a > trombonist; so, I went in and asked Jack if he might have a used, Conn > slide, which might fit my 6H bell. He went into the back a brought out a > slightly used Conn 4H slide section. It fit the bell nut; but, I didn't > realize at the time, it wasn't a .500 bore like the proper 6H slide. I > surely didn't care, and began playing with the help of my best friend from > BGSU, the late Frank North. Eventually, I switched my tuba lessons to > trombone, and, began to study with Dave Glasmire. > > Sadly, I traded that Conn bell and slide section in on a 1964 King 3B, > which > took me through a lot of playing until I got into bass trombone playing in > 1970. Sadly, I sold that King to a student, which I regret even today! This > was a King with the small, counterbalance, before they went to the larger, > black, weight. > > Maybe we need to start a thread on good/great trombone which were > traded-off > or sold; and, like a fool, you regret to this day. > > Have a great day! > > Denny Seifried > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Sym., Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Jazz Central > Big > Band > Bb Tuba-Ohio Valley British Brass Band, Western Ohio Tuba Quartet > Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf Of > Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM > To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > > Tom Ervin > > ervint at u.arizona.edu > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone > > player... ; >) > > (520) 743-5062 > > website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > From sam.louke at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 13:36:29 2017 From: sam.louke at gmail.com (Sam Louke) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <599dcb33.0234630a.c7f3b.9e70@mx.google.com> My first recollection is a Conn Director in 6th grade in 1967. In high school I got a Conn 88H. In college at UC Santa Barbara I borrowed the school's Bach 50B for jazz band and continued to use the 88H for band and orchestra. In my senior year I bought a roommate's Bach 42B. In the 80's I had it completely overhauled and stripped and re-lacquered and a couple of years ago the Slide Dr. did his magic and I still have and play it! 15 years ago I also bought a Getzen 3062 custom bass bone and still use it, too. Whew, amazing I still remember all that! Sam Louke -----Original Message----- From: Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) [mailto:ervint at email.arizona.edu] Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > Tom Ervin From reonofreyj at comcast.net Wed Aug 23 15:05:34 2017 From: reonofreyj at comcast.net (Rick Onofrey) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> References: <9B722D4C-9C81-4D36-86A9-4B3276D58F7A@email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: I started playing in college, so all I could afford was a $50 Bundy. Served me well for four years, and I passed it on to my oldest son when he was in middle school. (It took a beating there.) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ervin,Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > Tom Ervin > ervint at u.arizona.edu > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) > (520) 743-5062 > website: tom-ervin.com _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From earl.kd5xb at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 15:18:21 2017 From: earl.kd5xb at gmail.com (Earl Needham) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:18:21 -0600 Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right you are, Price! My fist instrument was also a King Cleveland, but along about 1966. I still ha ever it, and as bad as it's been beaten up, it still plays about the same. Except the slide is beat up too. :-( Earl Clovis, NM USA On Aug 23, 2017 9:13 AM, "Price Taylor via Trombone-l" < trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: FIrst trombone, King Cleveland. Lightly used and good condition, in 5th grade in 1969. Bequeathed it to my high school for marching band use before graduating. Not a bad first instrument, IMO! Price Taylor _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l at trombonelist.org http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org From mlsanders3 at juno.com Wed Aug 23 18:21:55 2017 From: mlsanders3 at juno.com (mlsanders3 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:21:55 GMT Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 Message-ID: <20170823.172155.29201.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> I started in the 8th grade on a rented Holton. The next year my grandmother bought me a King Liberty 2B. My band director, B. H. Walker prized the 2B above everything else and recommended it. I still have the 2B and play it. Several years ago I stumbled on a Bach Model 6-IV made in 1936 at a thrift store for $70.00. My trombone teacher, Dr Call at BYU has tried to buy it from me but I won't let him have it.(: Recently I found a Conn 50H on Ebay for less than $200.00 in really good condition. While it isn't a professional horn it is good enough for me to learn to play the bass trombone. I am not a professional and went 47 years without playing until I joined a community band in American Fork, Utah. That is my story. ____________________________________________________________ After Weeks Of Rumors, Joanna Gaines Comes Clean trecommanews.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599e0e39d9fbee395e28st01duc From jimtheob at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 14:07:32 2017 From: jimtheob at gmail.com (Jim Theobald) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 15:07:32 -0400 Subject: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Conn Director at first then my very own LA Olds special which I dad for decades. On Aug 24, 2017 2:00 PM, wrote: > Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to > trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_ > trombonelist.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trombone-l-request at trombonelist.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trombone-l-owner at trombonelist.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Your first trombone? (Denny Seifried) > 2. Re: Your first trombone? (Raymond Horton) > 3. Re: Your first trombone? (Sam Louke) > 4. Re: Your first trombone? (Rick Onofrey) > 5. Re: Your first trombone? (Earl Needham) > 6. Re: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 (mlsanders3 at juno.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:00:21 -0400 > From: "Denny Seifried" > To: > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > Message-ID: <000701d31c39$b0925510$11b6ff30$@woh.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > List Members....It is, indeed, great to see the list come alive once again. > As I was telling Tom, in a reply to the first instrument topic, my first > trombone was, sadly, not a "real" trombone, but, I purchased a very nice > Conn 5G valve bone. I picked this up around 1959, while I was a junior in > Findlay (OH) High School, with money I earned in giging around on string > bass. At that time, I was a tuba/string bass player and only had dreams and > aspirations to be a trombone/bass trombone player, someday in the future. > > Those of you in my generation will remember those Conn Elkhart 5G's were > actually a Conn Elkhart 6H bell section, a 5G valve section, and an > optional > Conn 6H slide section. The case was built to contain all three sections! > Unfortunately, mine did not include the optional 6H slide section. I took > the valve-bone with me to Bowling Green State Univ. in the fall of 1960; > and, we found our way into the BGSU "underground" big band. In those days, > you had to operate a big band in deep cover from the chair of the > department! Around my junior year, I really had the "itch" to learn how to > function on the......slide. While taking a walk to downtown Bowling Green, > I > had to pass Bigelow's Music Store. The owner, Jack Bigelow, was also a > trombonist; so, I went in and asked Jack if he might have a used, Conn > slide, which might fit my 6H bell. He went into the back a brought out a > slightly used Conn 4H slide section. It fit the bell nut; but, I didn't > realize at the time, it wasn't a .500 bore like the proper 6H slide. I > surely didn't care, and began playing with the help of my best friend from > BGSU, the late Frank North. Eventually, I switched my tuba lessons to > trombone, and, began to study with Dave Glasmire. > > Sadly, I traded that Conn bell and slide section in on a 1964 King 3B, > which > took me through a lot of playing until I got into bass trombone playing in > 1970. Sadly, I sold that King to a student, which I regret even today! This > was a King with the small, counterbalance, before they went to the larger, > black, weight. > > Maybe we need to start a thread on good/great trombone which were > traded-off > or sold; and, like a fool, you regret to this day. > > Have a great day! > > Denny Seifried > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Sym., Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Jazz Central > Big > Band > Bb Tuba-Ohio Valley British Brass Band, Western Ohio Tuba Quartet > Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf Of > Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM > To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > > Tom Ervin > > ervint at u.arizona.edu > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone > > player... ; >) > > (520) 743-5062 > > website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:29:08 -0400 > From: Raymond Horton > To: Denny Seifried > Cc: List Trombone > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I don't have any horns that I wish I hadn't sold, but I once passed up a > bargain that will drive many of you crazy. When I was a sophomore in high > school, which would have been 1967 or 68, I was teaching a freshman girl > trombone lessons occasionally, and I am pretty sure she had a crush on me. > I did not own a trombone at the time, I was playing euphonium, and she knew > I was looking for a "bass trombone". (I was quite uninformed at the time, > and I thought that was the term for any trombone with an F attachment.) My > student called me up one day, and told me she had been checking the > classified ads and found a pawn shop that had a "bass trombone, $100" but > warned me that, when she called the shop about it, the owner could not > confirm that it had an F attachment, he said it was just "bigger than all > the others". My parents took us both down to see it, and it turned out to > be a Conn 8H! I wiped off the slide oil and put slide cream and water on > it, and it played just fine. However, I did not know that this was a > tremendous bargain, and a tremendous horn (ignorance!) and was so focused > on an F attachment that I passed it up. (The store owner, who had looked at > me very suspiciously when I was cleaning the slide, wiped it all off and > put oil on it again and put it back in the case.) If I had bought it, I > think my career would have been much different, as I actually think I would > have done much better on tenor trombone then I did on bass! But just over > three years later, I auditioned for bass trombone in the Louisville > Orchestra. I got it at a very key time in my life, as I was extremely > concerned about money at the time. Second trombone was also open, but we > had a guy from Curtis audition for that, and I never would have beat him. > And So It Goes, little decisions in life have big impact later. I hope this > wasn't too much off topic, and might have been of interest to some of you. > I actually appreciate being able to relate the story to an audience that > would really understand! (I would like to go back and buy that 8H for 100 > bucks, but it might not fit in the DeLorean.) > > On Aug 23, 2017 2:01 PM, "Denny Seifried via Trombone-l" < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > > List Members....It is, indeed, great to see the list come alive once > again. > > As I was telling Tom, in a reply to the first instrument topic, my first > > trombone was, sadly, not a "real" trombone, but, I purchased a very nice > > Conn 5G valve bone. I picked this up around 1959, while I was a junior in > > Findlay (OH) High School, with money I earned in giging around on string > > bass. At that time, I was a tuba/string bass player and only had dreams > and > > aspirations to be a trombone/bass trombone player, someday in the future. > > > > Those of you in my generation will remember those Conn Elkhart 5G's were > > actually a Conn Elkhart 6H bell section, a 5G valve section, and an > > optional > > Conn 6H slide section. The case was built to contain all three sections! > > Unfortunately, mine did not include the optional 6H slide section. I took > > the valve-bone with me to Bowling Green State Univ. in the fall of 1960; > > and, we found our way into the BGSU "underground" big band. In those > days, > > you had to operate a big band in deep cover from the chair of the > > department! Around my junior year, I really had the "itch" to learn how > to > > function on the......slide. While taking a walk to downtown Bowling > Green, > > I > > had to pass Bigelow's Music Store. The owner, Jack Bigelow, was also a > > trombonist; so, I went in and asked Jack if he might have a used, Conn > > slide, which might fit my 6H bell. He went into the back a brought out a > > slightly used Conn 4H slide section. It fit the bell nut; but, I didn't > > realize at the time, it wasn't a .500 bore like the proper 6H slide. I > > surely didn't care, and began playing with the help of my best friend > from > > BGSU, the late Frank North. Eventually, I switched my tuba lessons to > > trombone, and, began to study with Dave Glasmire. > > > > Sadly, I traded that Conn bell and slide section in on a 1964 King 3B, > > which > > took me through a lot of playing until I got into bass trombone playing > in > > 1970. Sadly, I sold that King to a student, which I regret even today! > This > > was a King with the small, counterbalance, before they went to the > larger, > > black, weight. > > > > Maybe we need to start a thread on good/great trombone which were > > traded-off > > or sold; and, like a fool, you regret to this day. > > > > Have a great day! > > > > Denny Seifried > > Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Sym., Dayton Jazz Orchestra, Jazz Central > > Big > > Band > > Bb Tuba-Ohio Valley British Brass Band, Western Ohio Tuba Quartet > > Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trombone-l [mailto:trombone-l-bounces at trombonelist.org] On Behalf > Of > > Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM > > To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > > > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > > > > > Tom Ervin > > > ervint at u.arizona.edu > > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) ...now a recovering trombone > > > player... ; >) > > > (520) 743-5062 > > > website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:36:29 -0700 > From: "Sam Louke" > To: > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > Message-ID: <599dcb33.0234630a.c7f3b.9e70 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My first recollection is a Conn Director in 6th grade in 1967. In high > school I got a Conn 88H. In college at UC Santa Barbara I borrowed the > school's Bach 50B for jazz band and continued to use the 88H for band and > orchestra. In my senior year I bought a roommate's Bach 42B. In the 80's I > had it completely overhauled and stripped and re-lacquered and a couple of > years ago the Slide Dr. did his magic and I still have and play it! 15 > years > ago I also bought a Getzen 3062 custom bass bone and still use it, too. > > Whew, amazing I still remember all that! > > Sam Louke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ervin, Thomas R - (ervint) [mailto:ervint at email.arizona.edu] > Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > Tom Ervin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:05:34 -0400 > From: Rick Onofrey > To: "Trombone-l at trombonelist.org" > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > Message-ID: > trombonelist.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I started playing in college, so all I could afford was a $50 Bundy. > Served me well for four years, and I passed it on to my oldest son when he > was in middle school. (It took a beating there.) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Ervin,Thomas R - (ervint) via Trombone-l > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:02 PM > To: Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > Subject: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > > Curious to hear how many of us on the list started on a really lousy > instrument, silver, with a green slide and a pitted mouthpiece, etc. > > > > Tom Ervin > > ervint at u.arizona.edu > > Prof of trombone, Univ Arizona (Emeritus) > > ...now a recovering trombone player... ; >) > > (520) 743-5062 > > website: tom-ervin.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:18:21 -0600 > From: Earl Needham > To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Your first trombone? > Message-ID: > XwVcJD70fTA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Right you are, Price! My fist instrument was also a King Cleveland, but > along about 1966. I still ha ever it, and as bad as it's been beaten up, > it still plays about the same. Except the slide is beat up too. :-( > > Earl > Clovis, NM USA > > > > On Aug 23, 2017 9:13 AM, "Price Taylor via Trombone-l" < > trombone-l at trombonelist.org> wrote: > > FIrst trombone, King Cleveland. Lightly used and good condition, in 5th > grade in 1969. Bequeathed it to my high school for marching band use before > graduating. > > Not a bad first instrument, IMO! > > Price Taylor > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:21:55 GMT > From: "mlsanders3 at juno.com" > To: trombone-l at trombonelist.org > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > Message-ID: <20170823.172155.29201.0 at webmail05.dca.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I started in the 8th grade on a rented Holton. The next year my > grandmother bought me a King Liberty 2B. My band director, B. H. Walker > prized the 2B above everything else and recommended it. I still have the > 2B and play it. Several years ago I stumbled on a Bach Model 6-IV made in > 1936 at a thrift store for $70.00. My trombone teacher, Dr Call at BYU has > tried to buy it from me but I won't let him have it.(: Recently I found a > Conn 50H on Ebay for less than $200.00 in really good condition. While it > isn't a professional horn it is good enough for me to learn to play the > bass trombone. I am not a professional and went 47 years without playing > until I joined a community band in American Fork, Utah. That is my story. > ____________________________________________________________ > After Weeks Of Rumors, Joanna Gaines Comes Clean > trecommanews.com > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/599e0e39d9fbee395e28st01duc > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l at trombonelist.org > http://trombonelist.org/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l_trombonelist.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 > **************************************** > From chris at trombone.org Mon Aug 28 07:58:08 2017 From: chris at trombone.org (Chris Waage) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 07:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Trombone-l] OTJ Classifieds Update - 8/28/17 Message-ID: The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds - http://www.trombone.org/classifieds - have been updated as of 7:56 AM CDT on August 28, 2017. Buy/Sell Safely! Please use care when buying and selling online. 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